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This is not true in the Netherlands. You don’t get any tests if there is nothing wrong. Healthcare in this country scares me.

pelorat 5y ago
You can ask for a blood test though and ask that they check specific markers. But I agree that huisartsen are too dismissive in general.
- egeozcan 5y ago
  Same in Germany (Hausärzte). Even if you have a specific complaint, you'll just be told to go home and drink a lot of water. They just don't have the capacity to test for causes. I'm not sure if I can even pay someone to make extensive tests here. Never tried. Perhaps one needs to go to the US for that.
the-dude 5y ago
Take control. Regular doctors in NL are basically there to prevent you from getting care. Say you want a blood test, and what for. I they don't cooperate, move to the next doctor.
danuker 5y ago
In the US, the medical system was (and might still be) the top third cause of death, of which 5/6ths were due to medicine side-effects. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-doctors-responded-to-being-named-a-leading-killer/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-doctors-responded-to-be... I suspect doctors in the Netherlands are taught not to over-diagnose. Are they paid through national insurance?
- goodpoint 5y ago
  Yes, the US medical system is a disaster.
refurb 5y ago
Really? Not even a blood pressure check or a physician listening to your lungs or just examine your skin for weird moles? That’s terrible.
- the-dude 5y ago
  I am leaving my current physician because I had a very strange, black patch on my back, surrounded by a 'bleached', growing circle. Due to COVID, I provided videos to her assistant, which the physician reviewed. Physician claimed she needed better pictures ( obviously I had sent the best material ). The response to that was : the doctor needs to see the patch herself. Then when I arrived at the appointment she basically treated me like shit. I have filed a complaint with her practice. This is NL.
  - mpfundstein 5y ago
    my experience is totally differe t. just sayin
RGamma 5y ago
FWIW there's self-service blood tests with capillary blood at e.g. medivere. Tried to do the cholesterol one, but couldn't get the blood into the tube shrug
msrenee 5y ago
No mammograms? No pap smears? No prostrate screening? That's shocking.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  We do all of those, but they're all voluntary (as they should be), there are regular drives for all of these.
  - msrenee 5y ago
    Did I reply to the wrong comment? I thought I was replying to one about how the Netherlands doesn't cover cancer screening under its national healthcare.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Which it does. That comment you replied to is complete bullshit. For instance: Breast cancer: https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/borstkanker/ https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/borstkanker/ Cervical cancer: https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/baarmoederhalskanker/ https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/baarmoederhalska... Colon cancer: https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/darmkanker/ https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/darmkanker/

pelorat 5y ago

You can ask for a blood test though and ask that they check specific markers. But I agree that huisartsen are too dismissive in general.

egeozcan 5y ago
Same in Germany (Hausärzte). Even if you have a specific complaint, you'll just be told to go home and drink a lot of water. They just don't have the capacity to test for causes. I'm not sure if I can even pay someone to make extensive tests here. Never tried. Perhaps one needs to go to the US for that.

the-dude 5y ago

Take control. Regular doctors in NL are basically there to prevent you from getting care. Say you want a blood test, and what for. I they don't cooperate, move to the next doctor.

danuker 5y ago

In the US, the medical system was (and might still be) the top third cause of death, of which 5/6ths were due to medicine side-effects. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-doctors-responded-to-being-named-a-leading-killer/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-doctors-responded-to-be... I suspect doctors in the Netherlands are taught not to over-diagnose. Are they paid through national insurance?

goodpoint 5y ago
Yes, the US medical system is a disaster.

refurb 5y ago

Really? Not even a blood pressure check or a physician listening to your lungs or just examine your skin for weird moles? That’s terrible.

the-dude 5y ago
I am leaving my current physician because I had a very strange, black patch on my back, surrounded by a 'bleached', growing circle. Due to COVID, I provided videos to her assistant, which the physician reviewed. Physician claimed she needed better pictures ( obviously I had sent the best material ). The response to that was : the doctor needs to see the patch herself. Then when I arrived at the appointment she basically treated me like shit. I have filed a complaint with her practice. This is NL.
- mpfundstein 5y ago
  my experience is totally differe t. just sayin

RGamma 5y ago

FWIW there's self-service blood tests with capillary blood at e.g. medivere. Tried to do the cholesterol one, but couldn't get the blood into the tube shrug

msrenee 5y ago

No mammograms? No pap smears? No prostrate screening? That's shocking.

jacquesm 5y ago
We do all of those, but they're all voluntary (as they should be), there are regular drives for all of these.
- msrenee 5y ago
  Did I reply to the wrong comment? I thought I was replying to one about how the Netherlands doesn't cover cancer screening under its national healthcare.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Which it does. That comment you replied to is complete bullshit. For instance: Breast cancer: https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/borstkanker/ https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/borstkanker/ Cervical cancer: https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/baarmoederhalskanker/ https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/baarmoederhalska... Colon cancer: https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/darmkanker/ https://www.bevolkingsonderzoeknederland.nl/darmkanker/