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Then what will China get from that? I mean, we're on different political sides, not good vs evil, please acknowledge that.

by Koiwai 5y ago

jopsen 5y ago
> we're on different political sides, not good vs evil One of the sides runs a series of concentration camps. Sells organs from political prisoners, etc. But yes, I suppose it's just politics. Personally, I think genocide is slightly evil, but feel free to disagree.
- Koiwai 5y ago
  That's another political campaign, run by a Washington based agency, look that up, they are not even trying to hide that. If, I mean If, China is evil, wouldn't that make any country not declaring war to China evil too?
  - jopsen 5y ago
    > That's another political campaign, run by a Washington based agency Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps. Claiming that the Uyghur genocide is made up is just trolling. These things have been documented for years. And the Uyghur is not the only minority to be persecuted. Tell me who is the Dalai Lama working for? > wouldn't that make any country not declaring war to China evil too? I think you'll have to ask a philosopher, if evil is a transitive property :) But my two cents is (1) NO! (2) War is not the solution. Honestly, war is very rarely a good solution. Sanctions a political pressure might be better tools.
    - Koiwai 5y ago
      > Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps. "Independent media"
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brazzy 5y ago
China's interest in Taiwan has nothing to do with economy. The CCP and Xi in particular have turned "reunification" into a matter of national and personal pride. More substantially, they see Taiwanese independance as a threat because it could serve as an example to independance movements in Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and probably a few more.
- Koiwai 5y ago
  Yeah, that's basically true, partly though, for example I won't agree to that quotation mark. And what's wrong with national pride? And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? I thought we learnt that after two WWs. You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense.
  - brazzy 5y ago
    > I won't agree to that quotation mark. An actual peaceful reunification is just not going to happen anytime soon, especially given how things are developing in Hong Kong. And if it involves the military, it's conquest, not a reunification. > And what's wrong with national pride? It is all too easily used by populists to gather support based on an "us vs them" mindset. And (like personal pride) it can compel you to do self-destructive things to avoid losing face. > And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. > You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense. Then why all the fuss about Taiwan? A truly great nation could say "look, how about you strike down that silly idea about retaking the mainland, give back our national treasures, and in return we'll reconize you as an independant country?"
    - Koiwai 5y ago
      > And if it involves the military That's your speculation, are we at war now? What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China. By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him". > "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you.

Then what will China get from that? I mean, we're on different political sides, not good vs evil, please acknowledge that.

by Koiwai 5y ago

Then what will China get from that? I mean, we're on different political sides, not good vs evil, please acknowledge that.

jopsen 5y ago

> we're on different political sides, not good vs evil One of the sides runs a series of concentration camps. Sells organs from political prisoners, etc. But yes, I suppose it's just politics. Personally, I think genocide is slightly evil, but feel free to disagree.

Koiwai 5y ago
That's another political campaign, run by a Washington based agency, look that up, they are not even trying to hide that. If, I mean If, China is evil, wouldn't that make any country not declaring war to China evil too?
- jopsen 5y ago
  > That's another political campaign, run by a Washington based agency Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps. Claiming that the Uyghur genocide is made up is just trolling. These things have been documented for years. And the Uyghur is not the only minority to be persecuted. Tell me who is the Dalai Lama working for? > wouldn't that make any country not declaring war to China evil too? I think you'll have to ask a philosopher, if evil is a transitive property :) But my two cents is (1) NO! (2) War is not the solution. Honestly, war is very rarely a good solution. Sanctions a political pressure might be better tools.
  - Koiwai 5y ago
    > Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps. "Independent media"
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brazzy 5y ago

China's interest in Taiwan has nothing to do with economy. The CCP and Xi in particular have turned "reunification" into a matter of national and personal pride. More substantially, they see Taiwanese independance as a threat because it could serve as an example to independance movements in Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and probably a few more.

Koiwai 5y ago
Yeah, that's basically true, partly though, for example I won't agree to that quotation mark. And what's wrong with national pride? And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? I thought we learnt that after two WWs. You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense.
- brazzy 5y ago
  > I won't agree to that quotation mark. An actual peaceful reunification is just not going to happen anytime soon, especially given how things are developing in Hong Kong. And if it involves the military, it's conquest, not a reunification. > And what's wrong with national pride? It is all too easily used by populists to gather support based on an "us vs them" mindset. And (like personal pride) it can compel you to do self-destructive things to avoid losing face. > And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. > You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense. Then why all the fuss about Taiwan? A truly great nation could say "look, how about you strike down that silly idea about retaking the mainland, give back our national treasures, and in return we'll reconize you as an independant country?"
  - Koiwai 5y ago
    > And if it involves the military That's your speculation, are we at war now? What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China. By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him". > "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you.