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this looks amazing! i wonder why the beta is windows only though...

by blondin 5y ago

yellowfish 5y ago
Why wouldn't it be?
- coolspot 5y ago
  Because most real-world CUDA research happens on Linux with Python and Jupyter?
  - alphachloride 5y ago
    Most end-users are on Windows, however.
    - nonameiguess 5y ago
      That may not be the case for much longer. The press release on their final financial report from last year: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2021 https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financia... Data center revenue at $6.7 billion. Gaming at $7.7 billion. But data center grew 124%, gaming 41%. If that keeps up, data center passes gaming this year.
      - jamra 5y ago
        I don't think data centers count as end users. End users are human beings that use a system.
        nonameiguess 5y ago
        That doesn't make any sense to me. Human ML/AI researchers are also users and NVIDIA clearly intentionally targets them as a market segment. They don't only care about pleasing gamers running Windows.
        rrss 5y ago
        in the context of a desktop app, it seems pretty clear 'alphachloride was referring to desktop users. how is the existence of big datacenters relevant to what platforms nvidia will support for a desktop app?
  - whywhywhywhy 5y ago
    and most artists who utilize CUDA use Windows.
- phantom0308 5y ago
  The entire deep learning / AI industry relies on running GPU compute on Linux, mostly CUDA on Nvidia GPUs.
CoolGuySteve 5y ago
I'm using an Nvidia RTX 3090 on Linux with the proprietary drivers for machine learning and man it fucking sucks as a desktop lately. So my best guess is nobody at Nvidia uses the Linux desktop as a workstation. 1) My HDMI screen hasn't been able to wake from sleep for over a year now, the only way to make it wake is to switch to a text tty and then back to X11. 2) Wayland still isn't supported. The default Ubuntu 18.04 gdm doesn't even work so on first boot with the proprietary driver everything seems broken. 3) Since Firefox 89 switched to accelerated rendering by default, windows randomly disappear and various video players have lock contention, drop frames at 60fps, and downscale video on a fucking $1600 video card. 4) HDMI audio crackles and pops with a 2 second delay after a few hours and I have to restart pulseaudio on the command line. 5) I file support tickets on Nvidia's website and the company never responds, they don't even dupe them with some other old ticket.
- isatty 5y ago
  (1) works fine for me over DP, didn’t try HDMI. (4) sounds (heh) like a pulseaudio problem.
- mceachen 5y ago
  I recently switched to the 465 driver (on Ubuntu 20.04) and had issues: try downgrading back to 460 if you're in the same boat.
  - nonameiguess 5y ago
    That happened to me yesterday on my work laptop. System 76's help documentation said to chroot in from rescue media, uninstall the drivers, then reinstall, and that worked fine, so it's now running 465 perfectly well. No idea why the straight upgrade path doesn't work. But that's completely an Ubuntu problem, not NVIDIA. Like a (currently) higher up comment says, NVIDIA on Linux works fine as long as you're running the latest version of everything. My main desktop was built last April and I've been running Arch with RTX 2070 and the latest NVIDIA drivers ever since first boot and it has never given me any trouble, video or audio. My display is a 50 inch OLED connected via HDMI and audio a 5-channel soundbar with external subwoofer using eARC from the display. Everything is fine using GNOME defaults. NVIDIA provides the nvidia-xconfig tool to autogenerate the X configuration, but you don't need it. It runs fine with no config. Wayland has worked for over a year, too. You can go look at the PKGBUILD file for Arch's PulseAudio installer and it isn't doing anything special, either, just applying the suggest default from PulseAudio's documentation making the ALSA default module pulse. The only reason NVIDIA on Linux gives people so many problems is they're trying to run old versions of everything on enterprise-oriented Linux distros or "long-term support" without purchasing support. If you want the latest hardware, use the latest software.
fortran77 5y ago
Perhaps other operating systems aren't advanced or powerful enough? Mac doesn't support NVIDIA.

this looks amazing! i wonder why the beta is windows only though...

yellowfish 5y ago

Why wouldn't it be?

coolspot 5y ago
Because most real-world CUDA research happens on Linux with Python and Jupyter?
- alphachloride 5y ago
  Most end-users are on Windows, however.
  - nonameiguess 5y ago
    That may not be the case for much longer. The press release on their final financial report from last year: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2021 https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financia... Data center revenue at $6.7 billion. Gaming at $7.7 billion. But data center grew 124%, gaming 41%. If that keeps up, data center passes gaming this year.
    - jamra 5y ago
      I don't think data centers count as end users. End users are human beings that use a system.
      - nonameiguess 5y ago
        That doesn't make any sense to me. Human ML/AI researchers are also users and NVIDIA clearly intentionally targets them as a market segment. They don't only care about pleasing gamers running Windows.
        rrss 5y ago
        in the context of a desktop app, it seems pretty clear 'alphachloride was referring to desktop users. how is the existence of big datacenters relevant to what platforms nvidia will support for a desktop app?
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  and most artists who utilize CUDA use Windows.
phantom0308 5y ago
The entire deep learning / AI industry relies on running GPU compute on Linux, mostly CUDA on Nvidia GPUs.

CoolGuySteve 5y ago

I'm using an Nvidia RTX 3090 on Linux with the proprietary drivers for machine learning and man it fucking sucks as a desktop lately. So my best guess is nobody at Nvidia uses the Linux desktop as a workstation. 1) My HDMI screen hasn't been able to wake from sleep for over a year now, the only way to make it wake is to switch to a text tty and then back to X11. 2) Wayland still isn't supported. The default Ubuntu 18.04 gdm doesn't even work so on first boot with the proprietary driver everything seems broken. 3) Since Firefox 89 switched to accelerated rendering by default, windows randomly disappear and various video players have lock contention, drop frames at 60fps, and downscale video on a fucking $1600 video card. 4) HDMI audio crackles and pops with a 2 second delay after a few hours and I have to restart pulseaudio on the command line. 5) I file support tickets on Nvidia's website and the company never responds, they don't even dupe them with some other old ticket.

isatty 5y ago
(1) works fine for me over DP, didn’t try HDMI. (4) sounds (heh) like a pulseaudio problem.
mceachen 5y ago
I recently switched to the 465 driver (on Ubuntu 20.04) and had issues: try downgrading back to 460 if you're in the same boat.
- nonameiguess 5y ago
  That happened to me yesterday on my work laptop. System 76's help documentation said to chroot in from rescue media, uninstall the drivers, then reinstall, and that worked fine, so it's now running 465 perfectly well. No idea why the straight upgrade path doesn't work. But that's completely an Ubuntu problem, not NVIDIA. Like a (currently) higher up comment says, NVIDIA on Linux works fine as long as you're running the latest version of everything. My main desktop was built last April and I've been running Arch with RTX 2070 and the latest NVIDIA drivers ever since first boot and it has never given me any trouble, video or audio. My display is a 50 inch OLED connected via HDMI and audio a 5-channel soundbar with external subwoofer using eARC from the display. Everything is fine using GNOME defaults. NVIDIA provides the nvidia-xconfig tool to autogenerate the X configuration, but you don't need it. It runs fine with no config. Wayland has worked for over a year, too. You can go look at the PKGBUILD file for Arch's PulseAudio installer and it isn't doing anything special, either, just applying the suggest default from PulseAudio's documentation making the ALSA default module pulse. The only reason NVIDIA on Linux gives people so many problems is they're trying to run old versions of everything on enterprise-oriented Linux distros or "long-term support" without purchasing support. If you want the latest hardware, use the latest software.

fortran77 5y ago

Perhaps other operating systems aren't advanced or powerful enough? Mac doesn't support NVIDIA.