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>Because the answer is no, LGBT youth groups aren't political None of them can ever be political? Really? Obviously groups realted to any politically-adjacent

>Because the answer is no, LGBT youth groups aren't political None of them can ever be political? Really? Obviously groups realted to any politically-adjacent topic can run the gambit from entirely political to totally divorced from any politics or activism. I thought you were implying the first poster was not aware of that fact is all. Regardless, thinking Facebook (or anyone) is in any sort of position to decide this is a total farce, at least to my eyes. (Waited to post... Got my account rate limited cuz my fellow liberals downvoted me w/o comment. Seems like HN might not be a good place for reasonable discussion on controversial topics.)

Spivak 5y ago
Oh come on, do you really not recognize a difference between groups which are inherently political and groups which are incidentally political? A sewing circle that decides to participate in their local county’s get out the vote campaign is now acting politically despite the fact that sewing is not a political activity. The same is true for LGBT communities and spaces. So your question boils down to what if an LGBT youth group started acting politically, well then I guess they would be a political organization then but that isn’t a very meaningful statement. The core of the issue is when you have political figureheads very carefully craft a narrative where all LGBT existence is political. You can’t host A support group for trans kids because people who see the mere existence of trans individuals as a political threat label it as indoctrination. You can’t host a Christmas for LGBT folks who aren’t accepted because it will be labeled stealing their children away from their families. The fact that you consider all activities queer folk do to be adjacent to politics is so frustrating. It’s not a coincidence the root post used LGBT youth group as the ambiguous example and not a book club.
- rscoots 5y ago
  >The fact that you consider all activities queer folk do to be adjacent to politics is so frustrating. First of all I want to make clear I do not think this and never said this. But yes, many would consider LGBT groups to be a "politically adjacent topic" (to quote myself), just as groups like gun enthusiasts or crime watch networks would be. If literacy became a political hot topic then yes, book clubs would be politically adjacent too. No one here is arguing Facebook or anyone else should consider your particular LGBT group 'political' though because it clearly is not. >The core of the issue is when you have political figureheads very carefully craft a narrative where all LGBT existence is political. In fact the "core" of this entire post, topic, and thread is Facebook censorship, not political narratives around LGBT issues. I share your opinion that even modern liberal society is way behind on the issue you bring up, but that's all the more reason to distrust labeling by FB. So sorry for the confusion, but I'm glad we agree groups like yours should not be censored.

Spivak 5y ago

Oh come on, do you really not recognize a difference between groups which are inherently political and groups which are incidentally political? A sewing circle that decides to participate in their local county’s get out the vote campaign is now acting politically despite the fact that sewing is not a political activity. The same is true for LGBT communities and spaces. So your question boils down to what if an LGBT youth group started acting politically, well then I guess they would be a political organization then but that isn’t a very meaningful statement. The core of the issue is when you have political figureheads very carefully craft a narrative where all LGBT existence is political. You can’t host A support group for trans kids because people who see the mere existence of trans individuals as a political threat label it as indoctrination. You can’t host a Christmas for LGBT folks who aren’t accepted because it will be labeled stealing their children away from their families. The fact that you consider all activities queer folk do to be adjacent to politics is so frustrating. It’s not a coincidence the root post used LGBT youth group as the ambiguous example and not a book club.

rscoots 5y ago
>The fact that you consider all activities queer folk do to be adjacent to politics is so frustrating. First of all I want to make clear I do not think this and never said this. But yes, many would consider LGBT groups to be a "politically adjacent topic" (to quote myself), just as groups like gun enthusiasts or crime watch networks would be. If literacy became a political hot topic then yes, book clubs would be politically adjacent too. No one here is arguing Facebook or anyone else should consider your particular LGBT group 'political' though because it clearly is not. >The core of the issue is when you have political figureheads very carefully craft a narrative where all LGBT existence is political. In fact the "core" of this entire post, topic, and thread is Facebook censorship, not political narratives around LGBT issues. I share your opinion that even modern liberal society is way behind on the issue you bring up, but that's all the more reason to distrust labeling by FB. So sorry for the confusion, but I'm glad we agree groups like yours should not be censored.