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Not sure you read the article? This isn't a case of caving to the lawyers. Those lawyers got a JUDGE to grant an INJUCTION. Once that happens, you're not cavin

Not sure you read the article? This isn't a case of caving to the lawyers. Those lawyers got a JUDGE to grant an INJUCTION. Once that happens, you're not caving to lawyers - you're going to follow the letter of that injunction while you appeal it, or throw up your hands and follow it forever. Also FTA: "We have retained counsel, and we are in the process of filing an objection to the injunction, though we are required to comply with it." So they're not throwing their hands up... --edited for spacing

rectang 5y ago
It's more that Sony has effectively bought "justice" (i.e. a court decision) favorable to its interests by bringing overwhelming legal resources to bear.
- airhead969 5y ago
  The corporations own all elected officials (executive, legislative, and judicial) and MSM except some ostensible, powerless dreamers who think they can make a difference nibbling on the ephemeral periphery. The most rational and bravest voices in media (Hedges, Chomsky, Nader, Maté, Blumenthal) are currently ostracized as effectively-mute dissidents, conflated with conspiracy theorists and religious zealots for their crimes of factual, professional reporting. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." ― Upton Sinclair The prevailing filter bubble of the bourgeoisie and the rich is intent on remaining secure at all costs, assassinations included. Just look around the world where journalists are murdered most and then where they are deplatformed.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    "And here on the left we see a perfect sample of how a good comment that most would likely agree with had it not been killed by communist speak." Sorry, I totally agree with you but people have learned that anyone using words like bourgeoisie shouldn't be listened to.
    - xnyan 5y ago
      People have learned that anyone who completely dismisses another for use of a word shouldn’t be listened to.
      - Dah00n 5y ago
        Yes, again I agree, but those people weren't saying anything. They just dismissed the comment and down voted it and went on their way. Nothing gained at all because of using words that everyone knows will cause this reaction. Shotgun meet foot.
        airhead969 5y ago
        1. Are you Carnak the Magnificent? Mind-reading much? What number am I thinking of? 2. You can't cure agendas, ignorance, or hate with a politically-correct dictionary. 3. You have no sense of humor. :)
        xnyan 5y ago
        You make generalizing statements like “everyone knows”. I genuinely don’t understand what kind of reaction you think “everyone knows”. That some people will be inexplicably scared when the the name of Karl Marx is invoked?
    - airhead969 5y ago
      It's more compact than saying: - "middle- and upper-classes taken together" - "people earning over $80k unless they're filing jointly or have 3+ kids" - "let all the shallow people against the poor reveal their true colors if they really want to jump to conclusions"
gabereiser 5y ago
I know, Sony went to a judge and bought their way to an injunction forcing Quad9 to blacklist DNS resolution. Same went for Homeland Sec here in the US some time ago. It’s still Sony’s lawyers, it’s still not right, and a judge should know the difference between telecom lines and operators and their users, as this is the same thing analogy wise. It’s like me getting you to not eat dairy by banning you from ice cream shops because I’m lactose intolerant. It’s a huge over reach and abuse of power.
- djrogers 5y ago
  > It’s a huge over reach and abuse of power. Don't see anywhere I agued it wasn't, but I was responding to your comment which sounded like Quad9 was caving to Sony's lawyers, as opposed to the more specific accusations of judicial bribery in this follow-up post. Is it common for German judges to be bought and/or specific judgements to be paid for in Germany?
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    No it isn't. While this is a bad thing saying it is bought is hyperbolic.
    - gabereiser 5y ago
      Indeed it was hyperbolic.
  - sophacles 5y ago
    There is no bribery accusation. They said "sony bought their way". This is a vague statement that could include bribery, but also could mean "spent a lot of money on lawyers who found a judge that would side with them" or "sony spent a lot of money on lawsuits in many jurisdictions trying to find one that sided thier way" and a hundred other things.
    - djrogers 5y ago
      The exact quote is “went to a judge and bought”. If that’s not a direct accusation of bribery, I don’t know what is. None of the other options you listed come as close to describing what was stated as bribery does.
bwoodcock 5y ago
While our donors appear to be happy to pay for us to contest this, it's very difficult for me to imagine anyone paying what it would cost to implement compliance. We'll see what happens once the dust settles.
mijoharas 5y ago
The author appears to have written a follow-up comment recently[0]. It appears that they are technically unable to comply with the injunction. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27627626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27627626

rectang 5y ago

It's more that Sony has effectively bought "justice" (i.e. a court decision) favorable to its interests by bringing overwhelming legal resources to bear.

airhead969 5y ago
The corporations own all elected officials (executive, legislative, and judicial) and MSM except some ostensible, powerless dreamers who think they can make a difference nibbling on the ephemeral periphery. The most rational and bravest voices in media (Hedges, Chomsky, Nader, Maté, Blumenthal) are currently ostracized as effectively-mute dissidents, conflated with conspiracy theorists and religious zealots for their crimes of factual, professional reporting. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." ― Upton Sinclair The prevailing filter bubble of the bourgeoisie and the rich is intent on remaining secure at all costs, assassinations included. Just look around the world where journalists are murdered most and then where they are deplatformed.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  "And here on the left we see a perfect sample of how a good comment that most would likely agree with had it not been killed by communist speak." Sorry, I totally agree with you but people have learned that anyone using words like bourgeoisie shouldn't be listened to.
  - xnyan 5y ago
    People have learned that anyone who completely dismisses another for use of a word shouldn’t be listened to.
    - Dah00n 5y ago
      Yes, again I agree, but those people weren't saying anything. They just dismissed the comment and down voted it and went on their way. Nothing gained at all because of using words that everyone knows will cause this reaction. Shotgun meet foot.
      - airhead969 5y ago
        1. Are you Carnak the Magnificent? Mind-reading much? What number am I thinking of? 2. You can't cure agendas, ignorance, or hate with a politically-correct dictionary. 3. You have no sense of humor. :)
      - xnyan 5y ago
        You make generalizing statements like “everyone knows”. I genuinely don’t understand what kind of reaction you think “everyone knows”. That some people will be inexplicably scared when the the name of Karl Marx is invoked?
  - airhead969 5y ago
    It's more compact than saying: - "middle- and upper-classes taken together" - "people earning over $80k unless they're filing jointly or have 3+ kids" - "let all the shallow people against the poor reveal their true colors if they really want to jump to conclusions"

gabereiser 5y ago

I know, Sony went to a judge and bought their way to an injunction forcing Quad9 to blacklist DNS resolution. Same went for Homeland Sec here in the US some time ago. It’s still Sony’s lawyers, it’s still not right, and a judge should know the difference between telecom lines and operators and their users, as this is the same thing analogy wise. It’s like me getting you to not eat dairy by banning you from ice cream shops because I’m lactose intolerant. It’s a huge over reach and abuse of power.

djrogers 5y ago
> It’s a huge over reach and abuse of power. Don't see anywhere I agued it wasn't, but I was responding to your comment which sounded like Quad9 was caving to Sony's lawyers, as opposed to the more specific accusations of judicial bribery in this follow-up post. Is it common for German judges to be bought and/or specific judgements to be paid for in Germany?
- Dah00n 5y ago
  No it isn't. While this is a bad thing saying it is bought is hyperbolic.
  - gabereiser 5y ago
    Indeed it was hyperbolic.
- sophacles 5y ago
  There is no bribery accusation. They said "sony bought their way". This is a vague statement that could include bribery, but also could mean "spent a lot of money on lawyers who found a judge that would side with them" or "sony spent a lot of money on lawsuits in many jurisdictions trying to find one that sided thier way" and a hundred other things.
  - djrogers 5y ago
    The exact quote is “went to a judge and bought”. If that’s not a direct accusation of bribery, I don’t know what is. None of the other options you listed come as close to describing what was stated as bribery does.

bwoodcock 5y ago

While our donors appear to be happy to pay for us to contest this, it's very difficult for me to imagine anyone paying what it would cost to implement compliance. We'll see what happens once the dust settles.

mijoharas 5y ago

The author appears to have written a follow-up comment recently[0]. It appears that they are technically unable to comply with the injunction. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27627626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27627626