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Windows 11

36 points by denysvitali 5y ago

jaytaylor 5y ago
Wow, it's actually really hard to use the back button from this URL in Firefox. Anyone else notice this?
jmkni 5y ago
Interesting that it requires a TPM, I wonder how many Windows 10 devices won’t be able to upgrade? Bitlocker on by default?
- amerine 5y ago
  Pretty good choice IMO.
- arilotter 5y ago
  <1% of custom built PCs will be able to upgrade, lol. nobody I know with a desktop they built themselves has a TPM.
  - 1_player 5y ago
    They're £15-20 on Amazon. If you custom built your PC, you can figure out how to buy and install one. Thanks for reminding me.
  - throwaway2048 5y ago
    all modern AMD and Intel CPUs/chipsets have a TPM built in. The connector is for a TPM you add yourself.
kumarvvr 5y ago
Is this a free upgrade? or a paid one? Windows 10 support ends on October 14, 2025
- denysvitali 5y ago
  Free for at least one year, but they reserve the right to cancel the free option after one year
  - jsmith45 5y ago
    The "limited time" free upgrade to Windows 10 apparently still works to this day, so I strongly doubt Windows 11 will be any different.
    - hulitu 5y ago
      Yeah. Uncle Sam wants you.
    - IntrepidWorm 5y ago
      This is probably an intentional oversight by Microsoft. Nobody wants to have to deal with Windows 7 anymore, so leaving an option for people to upgrade for free allows the continued obsolescence of that OS (yes, I know the official support was discontinued, but it still looks bad on Microsoft if a bunch of Windows 7 devices suddenly get exposed to an 0-day).
      - hulitu 5y ago
        I don't want to have to deal with windows10.
    - aksss 5y ago
      Is that true? I knew about the “accessibility” workaround but thought they closed the door on that move as well.
      - noisem4ker 5y ago
        Sure it is. Just enter a Windows 7 or 8 key and the installer will proceed, showing how that time-limited opportunity for a free upgrade story was always a farce and a scummy marketing lie.
neogodless 5y ago
> Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0 This is something that is often disabled by default in your BIOS (assuming you have one included/connected, you can enable it - check UEFI settings.) Here's the tool to check your hardware: https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-41bc-8455-bc657c939b47/WindowsPCHealthCheckSetup.msi https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...
- Solocomplex 5y ago
  Most gaming boards don't come with a TPM chip right?
  - neogodless 5y ago
    No idea about "most", but for example, I have an Asus Prime X470 Pro. It has a 14-pin TPM connector, but the module is separate. Looks like they are not expensive[0], but... sold separately. However there is also an fTPM setting available (apparently built in, but I haven't tested that yet.) [0] https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1237446-REG/asus_tpm_m_r2_0_14_1_pin_tpm_module.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1237446-REG/asus_tpm_...
    - anon9001 5y ago
      I've only ever seen gaming mobos with those 14-pin TPM connectors and no module. There's also really no reason to use a TPM module, as far as I can tell.
      - jasdine817 5y ago
        Full disk encryption for one thing.
        hulitu 5y ago
        > Full disk encryption for one thing. Full disk backdoor. TPM has a long history of backdoorig.
m0r1arty 5y ago
Funny how they use abstracted macbook dummy laptops for their previews. And basically introduce round-corner MacOS design.
- JoeyBananas 5y ago
  They've also started using that Apple "Frosted window" effect. It looks terrible if you ask me. It's so 2010s.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    it's basically Aero. and the widgets are basically the Vista sidebar. what's old is new I guess. my main beef is moving the start button to the center of the screen. that makes it less accessible for mouse users -- you can't just wack your mouse over to the bottom left anymore. I use windows key, but it still seems like an accessibility fail.
    - greenyoda 5y ago
      I read in another article that there's a Settings option that lets you move the Start button back to the left (which I agree is where it should be).
      - hulitu 5y ago
        Will be removed in the next release. Together with settings. Who needs settings. Our telemetry shows that it is not used.
- mmgutz 5y ago
  To be fair dockbars, finder search, rounded corners and flat UI were all on Windows XP and Linux customization scene long before they were attributed to MacOS. What's old is new again.
russli1993 5y ago
they are integrating teams, onedrive, office, microsoft 365 stuff directly into windows 11. Doesn't that spark anti-trust concerns? Think about Microsoft was fined for anti-trust for integrating internet explorer into windows and making it the default. Looks like every platform holder is just using the dominance of their platform to push their other stuff.
- tapoxi 5y ago
  I think Microsoft can just point to Apple and Google at this point. Microsoft 365 has a massive competitor in Google Workspace, and Google controls Android and Chrome, with ChromeOS being used by the majority of American K-12 students.
avhception 5y ago
> [...] Windows 11 provides a calm and creative space [...] Judging from past experiences, Windows is anything but calm. Popups, notifications and prompts galore and a start menu that rivals a circus.
- denysvitali 5y ago
  ... and ads
  - nicbou 5y ago
    ...and updates that violate everything we are taught about consent
greenyoda 5y ago
Earlier discussion of Windows 11, currently on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27618805 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27618805 Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27619354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27619354
aksss 5y ago
Interesting store development.. “We’re also announcing a progressive change to our revenue share policies where app developers can now bring their own commerce into our Store and keep 100% of the revenue – Microsoft takes nothing. App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15.”

36 points by denysvitali 5y ago

Wow, it's actually really hard to use the back button from this URL in Firefox. Anyone else notice this?

Interesting that it requires a TPM, I wonder how many Windows 10 devices won’t be able to upgrade? Bitlocker on by default?

amerine 5y ago
Pretty good choice IMO.
arilotter 5y ago
<1% of custom built PCs will be able to upgrade, lol. nobody I know with a desktop they built themselves has a TPM.
- 1_player 5y ago
  They're £15-20 on Amazon. If you custom built your PC, you can figure out how to buy and install one. Thanks for reminding me.
- throwaway2048 5y ago
  all modern AMD and Intel CPUs/chipsets have a TPM built in. The connector is for a TPM you add yourself.

kumarvvr 5y ago

Is this a free upgrade? or a paid one? Windows 10 support ends on October 14, 2025

denysvitali 5y ago
Free for at least one year, but they reserve the right to cancel the free option after one year
- jsmith45 5y ago
  The "limited time" free upgrade to Windows 10 apparently still works to this day, so I strongly doubt Windows 11 will be any different.
  - hulitu 5y ago
    Yeah. Uncle Sam wants you.
  - IntrepidWorm 5y ago
    This is probably an intentional oversight by Microsoft. Nobody wants to have to deal with Windows 7 anymore, so leaving an option for people to upgrade for free allows the continued obsolescence of that OS (yes, I know the official support was discontinued, but it still looks bad on Microsoft if a bunch of Windows 7 devices suddenly get exposed to an 0-day).
    - hulitu 5y ago
      I don't want to have to deal with windows10.
  - aksss 5y ago
    Is that true? I knew about the “accessibility” workaround but thought they closed the door on that move as well.
    - noisem4ker 5y ago
      Sure it is. Just enter a Windows 7 or 8 key and the installer will proceed, showing how that time-limited opportunity for a free upgrade story was always a farce and a scummy marketing lie.

neogodless 5y ago

> Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0 This is something that is often disabled by default in your BIOS (assuming you have one included/connected, you can enable it - check UEFI settings.) Here's the tool to check your hardware: https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-41bc-8455-bc657c939b47/WindowsPCHealthCheckSetup.msi https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

Solocomplex 5y ago
Most gaming boards don't come with a TPM chip right?
- neogodless 5y ago
  No idea about "most", but for example, I have an Asus Prime X470 Pro. It has a 14-pin TPM connector, but the module is separate. Looks like they are not expensive[0], but... sold separately. However there is also an fTPM setting available (apparently built in, but I haven't tested that yet.) [0] https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1237446-REG/asus_tpm_m_r2_0_14_1_pin_tpm_module.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1237446-REG/asus_tpm_...
  - anon9001 5y ago
    I've only ever seen gaming mobos with those 14-pin TPM connectors and no module. There's also really no reason to use a TPM module, as far as I can tell.
    - jasdine817 5y ago
      Full disk encryption for one thing.
      - hulitu 5y ago
        > Full disk encryption for one thing. Full disk backdoor. TPM has a long history of backdoorig.

m0r1arty 5y ago

Funny how they use abstracted macbook dummy laptops for their previews. And basically introduce round-corner MacOS design.

JoeyBananas 5y ago
They've also started using that Apple "Frosted window" effect. It looks terrible if you ask me. It's so 2010s.
- sterlind 5y ago
  it's basically Aero. and the widgets are basically the Vista sidebar. what's old is new I guess. my main beef is moving the start button to the center of the screen. that makes it less accessible for mouse users -- you can't just wack your mouse over to the bottom left anymore. I use windows key, but it still seems like an accessibility fail.
  - greenyoda 5y ago
    I read in another article that there's a Settings option that lets you move the Start button back to the left (which I agree is where it should be).
    - hulitu 5y ago
      Will be removed in the next release. Together with settings. Who needs settings. Our telemetry shows that it is not used.
mmgutz 5y ago
To be fair dockbars, finder search, rounded corners and flat UI were all on Windows XP and Linux customization scene long before they were attributed to MacOS. What's old is new again.

russli1993 5y ago

they are integrating teams, onedrive, office, microsoft 365 stuff directly into windows 11. Doesn't that spark anti-trust concerns? Think about Microsoft was fined for anti-trust for integrating internet explorer into windows and making it the default. Looks like every platform holder is just using the dominance of their platform to push their other stuff.

tapoxi 5y ago
I think Microsoft can just point to Apple and Google at this point. Microsoft 365 has a massive competitor in Google Workspace, and Google controls Android and Chrome, with ChromeOS being used by the majority of American K-12 students.

avhception 5y ago

> [...] Windows 11 provides a calm and creative space [...] Judging from past experiences, Windows is anything but calm. Popups, notifications and prompts galore and a start menu that rivals a circus.

denysvitali 5y ago
... and ads
- nicbou 5y ago
  ...and updates that violate everything we are taught about consent

greenyoda 5y ago

Earlier discussion of Windows 11, currently on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27618805 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27618805 Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27619354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27619354

aksss 5y ago

Interesting store development.. “We’re also announcing a progressive change to our revenue share policies where app developers can now bring their own commerce into our Store and keep 100% of the revenue – Microsoft takes nothing. App developers can still use our commerce with competitive revenue share of 85/15.”