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>America has an 18 to one advantage over Brazil in the number of guns, yet proportionally, Brazil suffers six times more deaths by guns than America. >In Brazi

by 34679 5y ago

>America has an 18 to one advantage over Brazil in the number of guns, yet proportionally, Brazil suffers six times more deaths by guns than America. >In Brazil, all firearms must be registered with the state. Minimum age for owning a gun is 25 and restrictions make it virtually impossible to have a carry permit. Owners must pay a $40 tax every three years. As a result of these and other restrictions, it is very difficult to own a gun in Brazil much less carry one. https://www.tfp.org/what-about-gun-violence-in-brazil/ https://www.tfp.org/what-about-gun-violence-in-brazil/

mumblemumble 5y ago
The data are high variance, so you can't just pick individual cases and then only look at selected facets of them. That's classic cherry picking. You've got to look at large scale trends if you want to see a large scale pattern, and, if you want to dig into the particulars, you need to look at all the particulars. For example, that article you cite fails to consider the different levels of organized crime between the two countries. Perhaps because including that detail might necessitate acknowledging that Brazil and the USA have different gun crime problems with different causes that might therefore require different responses.
- 34679 5y ago
  "Go compare the gun violence rates in the US with any country that actually regulates guns."
  - marcinzm 5y ago
    Given that the first sentence mentioned developed nations I figured it was clear I meant any developed nation. Furthermore, regulates guns generally means actually regulates guns and not "has laws for regulating guns." The two are not the same except in countries that have stable governments, enough money to pay for law enforcement and low amounts of corruption. Unless you actually believe the state of the US government and economy is akin to that of a country like Brazil?
    - 34679 5y ago
      Brazil has the world's 9th largest GDP. Does this look like an undeveloped country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo
      - marcinzm 5y ago
        Depends if you live in this part of Sao Paulo or not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favela Brazil is around the 80th in terms of per capita GDP which is a much saner metric for the wealth of a country in terms of social issues.

by 34679 5y ago

mumblemumble 5y ago

The data are high variance, so you can't just pick individual cases and then only look at selected facets of them. That's classic cherry picking. You've got to look at large scale trends if you want to see a large scale pattern, and, if you want to dig into the particulars, you need to look at all the particulars. For example, that article you cite fails to consider the different levels of organized crime between the two countries. Perhaps because including that detail might necessitate acknowledging that Brazil and the USA have different gun crime problems with different causes that might therefore require different responses.

34679 5y ago
"Go compare the gun violence rates in the US with any country that actually regulates guns."
- marcinzm 5y ago
  Given that the first sentence mentioned developed nations I figured it was clear I meant any developed nation. Furthermore, regulates guns generally means actually regulates guns and not "has laws for regulating guns." The two are not the same except in countries that have stable governments, enough money to pay for law enforcement and low amounts of corruption. Unless you actually believe the state of the US government and economy is akin to that of a country like Brazil?
  - 34679 5y ago
    Brazil has the world's 9th largest GDP. Does this look like an undeveloped country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo
    - marcinzm 5y ago
      Depends if you live in this part of Sao Paulo or not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favela Brazil is around the 80th in terms of per capita GDP which is a much saner metric for the wealth of a country in terms of social issues.