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"People being able to directly organize and bypass the established political parties and corporate media entities that currently control the system is bad." -

"People being able to directly organize and bypass the established political parties and corporate media entities that currently control the system is bad." - The established political parties and corporate media entities that currently control the system

beprogrammed 5y ago
Where is that quote from? I couldn't find it by searching the text.
IIAOPSW 5y ago
This but its good actually. The opposite of "corporate media" isn't honest factual reporting free of agenda and aligned with the viewers interest. The opposite of "corporate media" is a complete lack of factual investigation, replaced instead by the loud opinions of overconfident charlatans spewing forth bullshit at an unprecedented rate. News orgs print retractions and have a reputation to maintain, but no one is ever going to come back and fact check a facebook rant. Its called a news 'feed' because its served from a trough.
- Miner49er 5y ago
  There exists just-as-factual non-corporate media. I think Democracy Now! is a good example. Yeah, it's very biased, but I think it's factual reporting.
- fallingknife 5y ago
  > the loud opinions of overconfident charlatans spewing forth bullshit at an unprecedented rate You just described corporate media. Ever watched Fox/CNN/MSNBC? Even the NYT and WaPo is going that direction now.
  - dnissley 5y ago
    "Rather than news, the paper (nytimes) began to sell what was, in effect, a creed, an agenda, to a congregation of like-minded souls. Post-journalism “mixes open ideological intentions with a hidden business necessity required for the media to survive,” Mir observes. The new business model required a new style of reporting. Its language aimed to commodify polarization and threat: journalists had to “scare the audience to make it donate.” At stake was survival in the digital storm." https://www.city-journal.org/journalism-advocacy-over-reporting https://www.city-journal.org/journalism-advocacy-over-report...
handrous 5y ago
Spoiler alert: the people "directly organized[ing]" aren't less manipulated, nor less manipulating. The rules have shifted and it's allowed some new players on the field, but it's the exact same game. Took very little time for the "game" to catch up with and overtake the web, in the scheme of things, really. (though, yes, of course, you're right that entrenched interests will hate this new thing whether or not what I wrote above is true)
- fallingknife 5y ago
  > The rules have shifted and it's allowed some new players on the field, but it's the exact same game. Yeah this is exactly my point.

beprogrammed 5y ago

Where is that quote from? I couldn't find it by searching the text.

IIAOPSW 5y ago

This but its good actually. The opposite of "corporate media" isn't honest factual reporting free of agenda and aligned with the viewers interest. The opposite of "corporate media" is a complete lack of factual investigation, replaced instead by the loud opinions of overconfident charlatans spewing forth bullshit at an unprecedented rate. News orgs print retractions and have a reputation to maintain, but no one is ever going to come back and fact check a facebook rant. Its called a news 'feed' because its served from a trough.

Miner49er 5y ago
There exists just-as-factual non-corporate media. I think Democracy Now! is a good example. Yeah, it's very biased, but I think it's factual reporting.
fallingknife 5y ago
> the loud opinions of overconfident charlatans spewing forth bullshit at an unprecedented rate You just described corporate media. Ever watched Fox/CNN/MSNBC? Even the NYT and WaPo is going that direction now.
- dnissley 5y ago
  "Rather than news, the paper (nytimes) began to sell what was, in effect, a creed, an agenda, to a congregation of like-minded souls. Post-journalism “mixes open ideological intentions with a hidden business necessity required for the media to survive,” Mir observes. The new business model required a new style of reporting. Its language aimed to commodify polarization and threat: journalists had to “scare the audience to make it donate.” At stake was survival in the digital storm." https://www.city-journal.org/journalism-advocacy-over-reporting https://www.city-journal.org/journalism-advocacy-over-report...

handrous 5y ago

Spoiler alert: the people "directly organized[ing]" aren't less manipulated, nor less manipulating. The rules have shifted and it's allowed some new players on the field, but it's the exact same game. Took very little time for the "game" to catch up with and overtake the web, in the scheme of things, really. (though, yes, of course, you're right that entrenched interests will hate this new thing whether or not what I wrote above is true)

fallingknife 5y ago
> The rules have shifted and it's allowed some new players on the field, but it's the exact same game. Yeah this is exactly my point.