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> I think China is just trying to take pot shots and their comments on the situation really just shows how their leadership appears to act like children Yes. T

> I think China is just trying to take pot shots and their comments on the situation really just shows how their leadership appears to act like children Yes. The reasoning behind their statements is a a way to distract from Canadian criticisms of Chinese human rights abuses, but the political agendas behind their statements do not make them any less true. > Maybe the church should be shouldering more of the blame here perhaps? I see this sentiment a lot in Canada with regards to the "who should be responsible for fixing this" question. The Church bearing all the responsibility gives most Canadians the convenient out of feeling deeply uncomfortable with a core part of their identity being associated with these horrific crimes. All Canadians are Canadian, but only some Canadians are Catholic after all. The history of these events tell us that both the government and the church were heavily involved, so I don't find the question "well which entity is MORE at fault" to be particularly useful.

soperj 5y ago
Just to be clear, it wasn't just the catholic church that was running these, there was also the anglican church.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It was more than even then two, a great many dénominations ran residential schools.
  - soperj 5y ago
    yeah I see the presbys in there as well. I just knew the Anglican Church was involved off the top of my head, because they ran the Residential school in my city.
beiller 5y ago
Well at least we agree on one tiny part of the above. I guess I was a bit callous in my reply. This news has set of a somewhat violent chain reaction in Canada. I'm glad the news came out but lately I am disturbed how much "news" is just overhyping and conveniently lacking details in order to drive ad revenue, and this is the perfect story for that. Many people who I speak to are under the assumption that there was government run mass children murdering squads killing native American children execution style. I am very sympathetic to the atrocities native American people went through _and it continues to this day_. Children are still taken from their homes today via child services meanwhile education on reserves is under funded making native children on reserves far more likely to wind up in foster homes. What do we do to fix it? We're protesting against figures in the past and doing nothing today because we all think it's over.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The news seems to be craving/inventing chaos since covid. Each crisis pushes the last out of the spotlight. It's cycling so quickly it has given rise to outrage culture. The media are dumping some moral crisis' on the viewer and trying to extract whatever emotion the view has left. People are confused and want to attack anything. Perhaps this is covid / lockdown induced.
  - krapp 5y ago
    Are you implying that the Canadian news industry only covered this story, or even manufactured it, in order to extract rage-clicks from their viewers... as opposed to covering it because it happened and was newsworthy? Or that public outrage is merely the result of people being confused and punch-drunk from the psychological toll of the constant media news cycle... as opposed to an understandable reaction to the discovery of mass indigenous child graves at a residential school? I can understand cynicism when it comes to the media but writing this off as outrage culture and essentially "fake news" seems like a bridge too far. I'm sure it's good for karma though.
    - beerandt 5y ago
      It's the sudden urgency and staged-shock that's the problem. Framing it as the most important story for you to read today, even though it's been known and newsworthy for years, and 50% of the text was copied from the story that ran on page 16F 10 years ago. Doing a few 10'x10' scans with GPR (which should never be trusted without ground truthing confirmation), then extrapolating it across a football field, and getting numbers that roughly agree with previous estimates isn't a breaking news update.
      - lostlogin 5y ago
        > It's the sudden urgency and staged-shock that's the problem. That’s a problem, sure. But I find the body count rather more alarming.
        5y ago
pbourke 5y ago
Also, churches and governments were working hand-in-glove and the public approved of, or at the very least ignored, what they were doing. Blame cannot be laid at the feet of any one group as all shared equally in sustaining this terrible system.

soperj 5y ago

Just to be clear, it wasn't just the catholic church that was running these, there was also the anglican church.

sudosysgen 5y ago
It was more than even then two, a great many dénominations ran residential schools.
- soperj 5y ago
  yeah I see the presbys in there as well. I just knew the Anglican Church was involved off the top of my head, because they ran the Residential school in my city.

beiller 5y ago

Well at least we agree on one tiny part of the above. I guess I was a bit callous in my reply. This news has set of a somewhat violent chain reaction in Canada. I'm glad the news came out but lately I am disturbed how much "news" is just overhyping and conveniently lacking details in order to drive ad revenue, and this is the perfect story for that. Many people who I speak to are under the assumption that there was government run mass children murdering squads killing native American children execution style. I am very sympathetic to the atrocities native American people went through _and it continues to this day_. Children are still taken from their homes today via child services meanwhile education on reserves is under funded making native children on reserves far more likely to wind up in foster homes. What do we do to fix it? We're protesting against figures in the past and doing nothing today because we all think it's over.

ipaddr 5y ago
The news seems to be craving/inventing chaos since covid. Each crisis pushes the last out of the spotlight. It's cycling so quickly it has given rise to outrage culture. The media are dumping some moral crisis' on the viewer and trying to extract whatever emotion the view has left. People are confused and want to attack anything. Perhaps this is covid / lockdown induced.
- krapp 5y ago
  Are you implying that the Canadian news industry only covered this story, or even manufactured it, in order to extract rage-clicks from their viewers... as opposed to covering it because it happened and was newsworthy? Or that public outrage is merely the result of people being confused and punch-drunk from the psychological toll of the constant media news cycle... as opposed to an understandable reaction to the discovery of mass indigenous child graves at a residential school? I can understand cynicism when it comes to the media but writing this off as outrage culture and essentially "fake news" seems like a bridge too far. I'm sure it's good for karma though.
  - beerandt 5y ago
    It's the sudden urgency and staged-shock that's the problem. Framing it as the most important story for you to read today, even though it's been known and newsworthy for years, and 50% of the text was copied from the story that ran on page 16F 10 years ago. Doing a few 10'x10' scans with GPR (which should never be trusted without ground truthing confirmation), then extrapolating it across a football field, and getting numbers that roughly agree with previous estimates isn't a breaking news update.
    - lostlogin 5y ago
      > It's the sudden urgency and staged-shock that's the problem. That’s a problem, sure. But I find the body count rather more alarming.
      - 5y ago

pbourke 5y ago

Also, churches and governments were working hand-in-glove and the public approved of, or at the very least ignored, what they were doing. Blame cannot be laid at the feet of any one group as all shared equally in sustaining this terrible system.