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> there is little that they can do to address how others will interact with them Don't police generally get training in conflict de-escalation?

9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
Indeed they do. The training documents that I’ve seen publicly available on the internet explicitly incorporate de-escalation techniques as the first and preferred option.
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  On the other hand, you have people like Dave Grossman (of the "Killology Research Group") telling cops at police seminars that one of the "perks" of the job is that, after killing another human being, they'll have the "best sex [they've] had in months". https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1385274653229285377 https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/13852746532292853...
  - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
    I understand your point, but it is a little disingenuous to bring that up as a point without considering the relative rates of attitudes such as that with the mainstream attitudes of law enforcement trainers. Is this individual representative of the mainstream?
    - jakelazaroff 5y ago
      I mean, are the training documents that you've seen publicly available on the Internet representative of the mainstream? Why is your inclination that those are normative but this seminar is anomalous?
      - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
        > Intensive specialized training is provided to offic- ers in departments using a police-based specialized police response. This strategy involves having sworn officers with specialized mental health training pro- vide crisis intervention services and act as liaisons to the formal mental health system. Deane et al.2 found that only three percent of departments use this ap- proach—among them, the Memphis Crisis Inter- vention Team (CIT). CIT officers make up about 15 to 20 percent of patrol officers and receive 40 hours of training that focuses on scenarios derived from actual incidents. Officers receive extensive training in de-escalation techniques.9 The second approach, a police-based specialized mental health response, was used by 12 percent of the departments. Mental health consultants, who were not sworn officers, were hired by the police depart- ment to provide on-site and telephone consultation to officers in the field. The third approach, a mental- health-based specialized mental health response, was used by 30 percent of the departments. This strategy involved reliance on mobile crisis teams. The teams were part of the local community mental health ser- vice system. The teams had developed a relationship with the local police departments to provide assis- tance on the scene. http://jaapl.org/content/jaapl/33/1/50.full.pdf http://jaapl.org/content/jaapl/33/1/50.full.pdf Of note, the remaining 55% of the departments in that study did not have a formal policy at the time (2005). edit: additionally, in that paper they discuss the notably high proportion of police officers expressing interest in mental health training - almost all of them
        jakelazaroff 5y ago
        To be clear, this is referring to a very specific subset of police: "crisis intervention team" officers within the 3% of departments that use a "police-based specialized police response" to mental health issues.
        9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
        That is not a correct reading of the quoted analysis. In tabular form: CIT 3% police-based specialized mental health response 12% mental- health-based specialized mental health response 30% no formal policy 55%

9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago

Indeed they do. The training documents that I’ve seen publicly available on the internet explicitly incorporate de-escalation techniques as the first and preferred option.

jakelazaroff 5y ago
On the other hand, you have people like Dave Grossman (of the "Killology Research Group") telling cops at police seminars that one of the "perks" of the job is that, after killing another human being, they'll have the "best sex [they've] had in months". https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1385274653229285377 https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/13852746532292853...
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
  I understand your point, but it is a little disingenuous to bring that up as a point without considering the relative rates of attitudes such as that with the mainstream attitudes of law enforcement trainers. Is this individual representative of the mainstream?
  - jakelazaroff 5y ago
    I mean, are the training documents that you've seen publicly available on the Internet representative of the mainstream? Why is your inclination that those are normative but this seminar is anomalous?
    - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
      > Intensive specialized training is provided to offic- ers in departments using a police-based specialized police response. This strategy involves having sworn officers with specialized mental health training pro- vide crisis intervention services and act as liaisons to the formal mental health system. Deane et al.2 found that only three percent of departments use this ap- proach—among them, the Memphis Crisis Inter- vention Team (CIT). CIT officers make up about 15 to 20 percent of patrol officers and receive 40 hours of training that focuses on scenarios derived from actual incidents. Officers receive extensive training in de-escalation techniques.9 The second approach, a police-based specialized mental health response, was used by 12 percent of the departments. Mental health consultants, who were not sworn officers, were hired by the police depart- ment to provide on-site and telephone consultation to officers in the field. The third approach, a mental- health-based specialized mental health response, was used by 30 percent of the departments. This strategy involved reliance on mobile crisis teams. The teams were part of the local community mental health ser- vice system. The teams had developed a relationship with the local police departments to provide assis- tance on the scene. http://jaapl.org/content/jaapl/33/1/50.full.pdf http://jaapl.org/content/jaapl/33/1/50.full.pdf Of note, the remaining 55% of the departments in that study did not have a formal policy at the time (2005). edit: additionally, in that paper they discuss the notably high proportion of police officers expressing interest in mental health training - almost all of them
      - jakelazaroff 5y ago
        To be clear, this is referring to a very specific subset of police: "crisis intervention team" officers within the 3% of departments that use a "police-based specialized police response" to mental health issues.
        9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
        That is not a correct reading of the quoted analysis. In tabular form: CIT 3% police-based specialized mental health response 12% mental- health-based specialized mental health response 30% no formal policy 55%