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We know different cops. The only cops I've met are mildly racist and intellectually lazy. Sure they were occassionally nice to have a beer with. But then they'd

by yardie 5y ago

We know different cops. The only cops I've met are mildly racist and intellectually lazy. Sure they were occassionally nice to have a beer with. But then they'd start talking and leave no doubt they aren't one of the good apples. Imagine getting a JIRA ticket thinking, "fucking Java bug, again. Only way to fix this is to yank the power cord out." Honestly, delivery people have to put up with way more shit and don't have weapons, the law, nor even a union that has their back. That's a tough job.

joejerryronnie 5y ago
I’ve had a completely different experience than you. Cops who I’ve known have been pretty normal, compassionate people. They routinely tell me the most important skill in effective law enforcement is your ability to communicate.
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- Jtsummers 5y ago
  This gets toward the heart of the issue here. (Also, same issue when discussing public education.) Reasonable people living in different places or with different skin colors (as a specific differentiator) in the same place have vastly different experiences with the same individuals or police forces. This creates a fundamental conflict in the discussion/debate because both sides are speaking about it (usually) as if their experience is the experience. Live in many southern US towns and you'll see very different treatment of people based on race which has a natural result that white people view cops as reasonable and polite (their experience) and black or Hispanic people view cops as unreasonable and oppressive (their experience).
- yardie 5y ago
  Something tells me you don't get detained enough by the police because you "match the description"
  - joejerryronnie 5y ago
    I’m talking about a few people I know personally who happen to be cops (some white dudes, some POCs). Obviously this is anecdotal, as is the original comment I replied to. However, I did experience profiling several times when I was younger and drove a mini-truck in the Bay Area. I have slightly darker skin and am routinely mistaken for hispanic. In the couple of years I owned the mini-truck, I was pulled over several times for things like a tail light out (it wasn’t), or “reports of stolen trucks that fit this description”. While unfair from a profiling perspective, I was compliant and polite, and the cops were professional (outside of the initial profiling). After running my license and registration they always let me on my way without any harassment. Now, I’m not saying my experience is indicative of other’s experience with cops but just that I’ve glimpsed the other side a bit.
    - yardie 5y ago
      This... "outside of the initial profiling" doesn't jibe with this... "let me on my way without any harassment."
      - joejerryronnie 5y ago
        Sure, I should have said without any further harassment. But they did not escalate the situation. I’m sure if I was not very compliant, things could have turned out differently.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
I can imagine how they become this way. With most offenders being from minority groups it's hard to keep an open mind if you're having to chase after them every day. Even though these problems are societal, not really caused by the minorities themselves but rather lack of opportunities etc But if you're on the business end of society's failures on a daily basis I can imagine how this changes one's opinion. I've worked as a technical support agent and I really started to be afraid of our company's products, being confronted with the worst that could happen to them every day. The knowledge that the calls I was getting were only about 0.1% of products in the field was easy to forget.
- johnhenry 5y ago
  Let's not ignore the fact that minorities neighborhoods have historically faced higher levels of scrutiny from police. It's not just that offenders are from minority groups... Consider that police are going out into minority groups looking for offenders.
  - myfavoritedog 5y ago
    I saw a stat a while back that showed that any higher levels of policing of minority communities was directly attributable to higher levels of disturbance reports from within the communities themselves. So police aren’t just looking for offenders in minority communities. They’re going where the communities are asking them to be.
    - johnhenry 5y ago
      This article explains the situation better: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2016/09/01/143357/the-intersection-of-policing-and-race/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2016/09... There's also evidence to show that all else held equal, police respond with more force when dealing with minorities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_.... Do you have a source for the stat that you mentioned.
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bluedino 5y ago
>> Imagine getting a JIRA ticket thinking, "fucking Java bug, again. Only way to fix this is to yank the power cord out." You must not have worked with a lot of support staff
sakopov 5y ago
Honestly, what conversation can we have about policing with a person who thinks a delivery driver has a more dangerous life than a cop? Only thing I can tell you is I hope you have a lot of delivery drivers living next to you if police shortage becomes a reality and crime trajectory continues on the same path as in 2020 and 2021. Or perhaps your keyboard can be as effective in self-defense as it is in the spreading of nonsense.
- yardie 5y ago
  > crime trajectory continues on the same path as in 2020 and 2021. Ah yes, the crime trajectory of 2020, which is different from the crime trajectory of 2000-2019. And we both know why.

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joejerryronnie 5y ago

I’ve had a completely different experience than you. Cops who I’ve known have been pretty normal, compassionate people. They routinely tell me the most important skill in effective law enforcement is your ability to communicate.

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Jtsummers 5y ago
This gets toward the heart of the issue here. (Also, same issue when discussing public education.) Reasonable people living in different places or with different skin colors (as a specific differentiator) in the same place have vastly different experiences with the same individuals or police forces. This creates a fundamental conflict in the discussion/debate because both sides are speaking about it (usually) as if their experience is the experience. Live in many southern US towns and you'll see very different treatment of people based on race which has a natural result that white people view cops as reasonable and polite (their experience) and black or Hispanic people view cops as unreasonable and oppressive (their experience).
yardie 5y ago
Something tells me you don't get detained enough by the police because you "match the description"
- joejerryronnie 5y ago
  I’m talking about a few people I know personally who happen to be cops (some white dudes, some POCs). Obviously this is anecdotal, as is the original comment I replied to. However, I did experience profiling several times when I was younger and drove a mini-truck in the Bay Area. I have slightly darker skin and am routinely mistaken for hispanic. In the couple of years I owned the mini-truck, I was pulled over several times for things like a tail light out (it wasn’t), or “reports of stolen trucks that fit this description”. While unfair from a profiling perspective, I was compliant and polite, and the cops were professional (outside of the initial profiling). After running my license and registration they always let me on my way without any harassment. Now, I’m not saying my experience is indicative of other’s experience with cops but just that I’ve glimpsed the other side a bit.
  - yardie 5y ago
    This... "outside of the initial profiling" doesn't jibe with this... "let me on my way without any harassment."
    - joejerryronnie 5y ago
      Sure, I should have said without any further harassment. But they did not escalate the situation. I’m sure if I was not very compliant, things could have turned out differently.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

I can imagine how they become this way. With most offenders being from minority groups it's hard to keep an open mind if you're having to chase after them every day. Even though these problems are societal, not really caused by the minorities themselves but rather lack of opportunities etc But if you're on the business end of society's failures on a daily basis I can imagine how this changes one's opinion. I've worked as a technical support agent and I really started to be afraid of our company's products, being confronted with the worst that could happen to them every day. The knowledge that the calls I was getting were only about 0.1% of products in the field was easy to forget.

johnhenry 5y ago
Let's not ignore the fact that minorities neighborhoods have historically faced higher levels of scrutiny from police. It's not just that offenders are from minority groups... Consider that police are going out into minority groups looking for offenders.
- myfavoritedog 5y ago
  I saw a stat a while back that showed that any higher levels of policing of minority communities was directly attributable to higher levels of disturbance reports from within the communities themselves. So police aren’t just looking for offenders in minority communities. They’re going where the communities are asking them to be.
  - johnhenry 5y ago
    This article explains the situation better: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2016/09/01/143357/the-intersection-of-policing-and-race/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2016/09... There's also evidence to show that all else held equal, police respond with more force when dealing with minorities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_.... Do you have a source for the stat that you mentioned.
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bluedino 5y ago

>> Imagine getting a JIRA ticket thinking, "fucking Java bug, again. Only way to fix this is to yank the power cord out." You must not have worked with a lot of support staff

sakopov 5y ago

Honestly, what conversation can we have about policing with a person who thinks a delivery driver has a more dangerous life than a cop? Only thing I can tell you is I hope you have a lot of delivery drivers living next to you if police shortage becomes a reality and crime trajectory continues on the same path as in 2020 and 2021. Or perhaps your keyboard can be as effective in self-defense as it is in the spreading of nonsense.

yardie 5y ago
> crime trajectory continues on the same path as in 2020 and 2021. Ah yes, the crime trajectory of 2020, which is different from the crime trajectory of 2000-2019. And we both know why.