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The issue is accountability. Police unions are much too strong, so the bad cops are reinstated even when they're on camera doing something heinous. How is the

The issue is accountability. Police unions are much too strong, so the bad cops are reinstated even when they're on camera doing something heinous. How is the public supposed to feel about that?

ridiculous_lol 5y ago
Shouldn't people call for more regulations against the Union instead of the entire department?
kspacewalk2 5y ago
The issue should be accountability. Police unions are a root cause of the problem. Instead, ordinary officers are being treated like the first five paragraphs of this story. The most popular slogan is "defund the police". There's people non-ironically advocating for 'abolishing prisons'. This is why they're quitting, and this is why the drive to meaningfully reform police will be wasted this time around, too. It will be drowned in the consequences of the actions of radicals who push for simple solutions that are simply wrong, and all the nice middle-class folks from nice middle-class neighbourhoods who enable and support them, instead of calling them out on their bullshit.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > Instead, ordinary officers are being treated like the first five paragraphs of this story. This should be an unsurprising reaction to there generally being minimal consequences for individual bad cops, though.
  - kspacewalk2 5y ago
    Sure. Unsurprising reactions all around. However, people who live in a city will generally have to deal with more serious consequences than people who cannot afford to live there, paid $37k to be spat on, abused and called a pig regardless of their individual actions. The latter can just quit. The former will hopefully live through a crime wave and urban decay unscathed.
- RankingMember 5y ago
  > This is why they're quitting The article doesn't say they're quitting because of slogans. From the article's citations, it sounds like they're quitting because they're essentially caught between a rock and a hard place; The public is angry with them because of little to no accountability and the police unions are too powerful and afraid to lose any bit of that power to be bothered to give an inch of accountability. It's an excruciating situation.

The issue is accountability. Police unions are much too strong, so the bad cops are reinstated even when they're on camera doing something heinous. How is the public supposed to feel about that?

ridiculous_lol 5y ago

Shouldn't people call for more regulations against the Union instead of the entire department?

kspacewalk2 5y ago

The issue should be accountability. Police unions are a root cause of the problem. Instead, ordinary officers are being treated like the first five paragraphs of this story. The most popular slogan is "defund the police". There's people non-ironically advocating for 'abolishing prisons'. This is why they're quitting, and this is why the drive to meaningfully reform police will be wasted this time around, too. It will be drowned in the consequences of the actions of radicals who push for simple solutions that are simply wrong, and all the nice middle-class folks from nice middle-class neighbourhoods who enable and support them, instead of calling them out on their bullshit.

ceejayoz 5y ago
> Instead, ordinary officers are being treated like the first five paragraphs of this story. This should be an unsurprising reaction to there generally being minimal consequences for individual bad cops, though.
- kspacewalk2 5y ago
  Sure. Unsurprising reactions all around. However, people who live in a city will generally have to deal with more serious consequences than people who cannot afford to live there, paid $37k to be spat on, abused and called a pig regardless of their individual actions. The latter can just quit. The former will hopefully live through a crime wave and urban decay unscathed.
RankingMember 5y ago
> This is why they're quitting The article doesn't say they're quitting because of slogans. From the article's citations, it sounds like they're quitting because they're essentially caught between a rock and a hard place; The public is angry with them because of little to no accountability and the police unions are too powerful and afraid to lose any bit of that power to be bothered to give an inch of accountability. It's an excruciating situation.