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Coverage (let's say) of left-wing bias in the media has been a major part of right-wing media since at least the early 90s. Limbaugh, for instance, talked about

Coverage (let's say) of left-wing bias in the media has been a major part of right-wing media since at least the early 90s. Limbaugh, for instance, talked about it a lot back then (and I doubt he ever stopped—don't know why he would have), and if he wasn't receiving payment from the advertising department of Fox News, when they started up, he sure should have been (there was a lot of, "well, except Fox News" in his, ah, coverage of left-wing bias). The "the media hates conservatives" thing got his treatment where he acted like it was just a fact that he and his listeners, of course, knew to be true, sometimes calling out what he perceived as examples, but more often just stating it on the way to some other point. From what I've seen, the rest of right-wing punditry (I suppose you'd call it) picked up on this and took a similar approach to it.

andyxor 5y ago
The media leftist bias is real, I guess it’s hard to notice from inside the bubble I was never interested in politics , left or right and never listened to conservative or liberal commentary you mentioned but the coverage of BLM riots, Trump etc especially in 2020 was mostly fake news and blatant propaganda. That’s what brought me to vote for Trump in the first place, the constant lying and manipulation by the media. I don’t know how otherwise reasonable people can not notice these 24/7 lies by CNN, WaPo, NYT etc. I’m a first gen immigrant, from former communist country, we have a good nose for propaganda and can smell it from afar, I’m surprised American-born Americans are so easily fooled.
- handrous 5y ago
  I didn't claim it's not. I just meant to point out that people on the right have been told, consistently and repeatedly, that it exists since at least the early 90s, by people whose opinions they sure seem to take seriously, so it'd be unsurprising that many wouldn't trust the media even if it weren't true. The truth of it's almost irrelevant to the poll results.
  - convexfunction 5y ago
    So you'd predict that without Fox and talk radio telling those people that almost everyone working in national mainstream media falls somewhere on the spectrum of "has no respect for you" and "likes to sincerely fantasize in public about the elimination of your culture", most of them wouldn't be able to independently observe that fact with their own eyes and ears?
    - handrous 5y ago
      I don't think the media abruptly changed at exactly the same time right-wing personalities started talking a ton about media bias, no. Yet I'm sure perceptions did. So yes, I think deliberate promotion of a view to a huge audience, whether it's correct or not, will result in more people believing it's true than people's "own eyes and ears".
      - convexfunction 5y ago
        I think it's obvious and I haven't spent a second of my life voluntarily consuming any mainstream right-leaning news, but maybe I'm just way, way smarter than all those rubes who you believe have basically no connection with reality outside of when their propaganda happens to be accurate. shrug!!!
        handrous 5y ago
        [EDIT] removed mean sarcasm—poster engaging sincerely elsewhere and I felt this was unwarranted. Sorry.
      - convexfunction 5y ago
        Let me be more precise: I think your claim that "The truth of it's almost irrelevant to the poll results" is obviously very wrong. The truth of it does have a lot to do with this perception, especially given 1. the rather more "sincere" journalistic norms we see even in the paper of record in 2021 compared to a few decades ago and 2. the fact that social media makes it easy for people to organically show each other the most egregious examples of this stuff, and I would even go so far as to say that it probably matters more than whatever Fox and talk radio are telling their audiences. Obviously that does also matter somewhat even now, and perhaps it was even more important than the truth of the matter when these right-wing news outlets were first making this claim decades ago, but to think that this widespread perception is "merely accidentally" correct and mainly a result of propaganda is to give the typical right-leaning American far too little credit.
- juanani 5y ago
  Don't be surprised. Our journalists grew up on Cold War propaganda. They don't hire people from the 'other' team. I don't see the Western public ever breaking free from their IC narratives. Imagine a news report on the good deeds Russia/Iran/China do, automatic label of foreign state propaganda. 'Otherwise reasonable' does not negate ignorance and we are overflowing with ignorance thanks to our journalism(propaganda). Logic is some math term which automatically gets trashed because lolol im no good at math who needs that stuff amirite?.

andyxor 5y ago

The media leftist bias is real, I guess it’s hard to notice from inside the bubble I was never interested in politics , left or right and never listened to conservative or liberal commentary you mentioned but the coverage of BLM riots, Trump etc especially in 2020 was mostly fake news and blatant propaganda. That’s what brought me to vote for Trump in the first place, the constant lying and manipulation by the media. I don’t know how otherwise reasonable people can not notice these 24/7 lies by CNN, WaPo, NYT etc. I’m a first gen immigrant, from former communist country, we have a good nose for propaganda and can smell it from afar, I’m surprised American-born Americans are so easily fooled.

handrous 5y ago
I didn't claim it's not. I just meant to point out that people on the right have been told, consistently and repeatedly, that it exists since at least the early 90s, by people whose opinions they sure seem to take seriously, so it'd be unsurprising that many wouldn't trust the media even if it weren't true. The truth of it's almost irrelevant to the poll results.
- convexfunction 5y ago
  So you'd predict that without Fox and talk radio telling those people that almost everyone working in national mainstream media falls somewhere on the spectrum of "has no respect for you" and "likes to sincerely fantasize in public about the elimination of your culture", most of them wouldn't be able to independently observe that fact with their own eyes and ears?
  - handrous 5y ago
    I don't think the media abruptly changed at exactly the same time right-wing personalities started talking a ton about media bias, no. Yet I'm sure perceptions did. So yes, I think deliberate promotion of a view to a huge audience, whether it's correct or not, will result in more people believing it's true than people's "own eyes and ears".
    - convexfunction 5y ago
      I think it's obvious and I haven't spent a second of my life voluntarily consuming any mainstream right-leaning news, but maybe I'm just way, way smarter than all those rubes who you believe have basically no connection with reality outside of when their propaganda happens to be accurate. shrug!!!
      - handrous 5y ago
        [EDIT] removed mean sarcasm—poster engaging sincerely elsewhere and I felt this was unwarranted. Sorry.
    - convexfunction 5y ago
      Let me be more precise: I think your claim that "The truth of it's almost irrelevant to the poll results" is obviously very wrong. The truth of it does have a lot to do with this perception, especially given 1. the rather more "sincere" journalistic norms we see even in the paper of record in 2021 compared to a few decades ago and 2. the fact that social media makes it easy for people to organically show each other the most egregious examples of this stuff, and I would even go so far as to say that it probably matters more than whatever Fox and talk radio are telling their audiences. Obviously that does also matter somewhat even now, and perhaps it was even more important than the truth of the matter when these right-wing news outlets were first making this claim decades ago, but to think that this widespread perception is "merely accidentally" correct and mainly a result of propaganda is to give the typical right-leaning American far too little credit.
juanani 5y ago
Don't be surprised. Our journalists grew up on Cold War propaganda. They don't hire people from the 'other' team. I don't see the Western public ever breaking free from their IC narratives. Imagine a news report on the good deeds Russia/Iran/China do, automatic label of foreign state propaganda. 'Otherwise reasonable' does not negate ignorance and we are overflowing with ignorance thanks to our journalism(propaganda). Logic is some math term which automatically gets trashed because lolol im no good at math who needs that stuff amirite?.