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If you could find statistical evidence (controlled for income) that shows black Americans commit _insert violent crime_ at 9x [1] the rate of other races, then

If you could find statistical evidence (controlled for income) that shows black Americans commit _insert violent crime_ at 9x [1] the rate of other races, then I would absolutely be in favor of taking steps that mitigated that crime happening. That's an extremely controversial thing to say, but the point is moot - as far as I am aware nobody has done such an analysis, and nobody wants to. However, there are plenty of species in which the males rape the women [2] because such a thing is simply advantageous from an evolutionary standpoint. [1] https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals

stickfigure 5y ago
I want to unpack that statement to make sure I understand you correctly. Did you just say that if statistics show that black Americans commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than whites, controlling for income, you would be in favor of racially segregated restrooms? I personally find the idea of segregated restrooms to be incredibly offensive, no matter what the cause of this graph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Homicide_Offending_Rates_By_Race.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Homicide_Offending_Ra... Looks like the homicide offender rate for blacks is 5X-8X for whites, depending on year. It isn't broken down by income but from my cursory knowledge of the statistics, that's not going to make the effect go away. We could explore the root causes of this but I really don't think they matter. Segregated restrooms have no place in a civilized society, full stop. As an aside, there are also plenty of species where females eat the males after mating. The problem with evolutionary arguments is that there's plenty of examples to choose from to advance any claim you'd like to make. We aren't those species.
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- CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
  I never said anything about racial segregation - you put those words in my mouth. I said “ I would absolutely be in favor of taking steps that mitigated that crime happening”. Whether that be education, support groups, whatever, I don’t know, this is an outlandish hypothetical scenario. Society settled on separate bathrooms for men and women because it’s convenient. Men use urinals, women don’t. Women need trash bins near toilets for tampons. Women don’t want to pull their pants down around men. Separating bathrooms was a relatively small concession to make. > It isn't broken down by income but from my cursory knowledge of the statistics, that's not going to make the effect go away. That is a huge assumption to make. In every study ever done on the matter, there are huge correlations between crime and income. Massive. Enough to explain the chart you showed. I really don’t want this to become footnote fight over statistics, but crime is definitely correlated with income, and black people make much less money on average in the US.

stickfigure 5y ago

I want to unpack that statement to make sure I understand you correctly. Did you just say that if statistics show that black Americans commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than whites, controlling for income, you would be in favor of racially segregated restrooms? I personally find the idea of segregated restrooms to be incredibly offensive, no matter what the cause of this graph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Homicide_Offending_Rates_By_Race.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Homicide_Offending_Ra... Looks like the homicide offender rate for blacks is 5X-8X for whites, depending on year. It isn't broken down by income but from my cursory knowledge of the statistics, that's not going to make the effect go away. We could explore the root causes of this but I really don't think they matter. Segregated restrooms have no place in a civilized society, full stop. As an aside, there are also plenty of species where females eat the males after mating. The problem with evolutionary arguments is that there's plenty of examples to choose from to advance any claim you'd like to make. We aren't those species.

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CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
I never said anything about racial segregation - you put those words in my mouth. I said “ I would absolutely be in favor of taking steps that mitigated that crime happening”. Whether that be education, support groups, whatever, I don’t know, this is an outlandish hypothetical scenario. Society settled on separate bathrooms for men and women because it’s convenient. Men use urinals, women don’t. Women need trash bins near toilets for tampons. Women don’t want to pull their pants down around men. Separating bathrooms was a relatively small concession to make. > It isn't broken down by income but from my cursory knowledge of the statistics, that's not going to make the effect go away. That is a huge assumption to make. In every study ever done on the matter, there are huge correlations between crime and income. Massive. Enough to explain the chart you showed. I really don’t want this to become footnote fight over statistics, but crime is definitely correlated with income, and black people make much less money on average in the US.