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>> "I'm honestly not sure what anyone expects here." Discernment.

by mkr-hn 5y ago

afarrell 5y ago
Discernment that aligns with their values and is scalable enough to be cheap. Google promised to not be “evil”, which is only as reliable a promise to the degree that “evil” is well-defined.
macspoofing 5y ago
Based on my personal standards?
LatteLazy 5y ago
Youtube make pennies per video, if you can provide "discernment" at that price, I'm sure they'll take you call. Until then, it's hammers missing nails and smashing walnuts. And that's without worrying that your definition might not match anyone else's...
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "Youtube make pennies per video, if you can provide "discernment" at that price" Thats their problem. Alternatively,maybe they don't give a fuck because they have a monopoly and they have nonreason to spend more money
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    It's really not their problem though, is it. Because there are 2 fixes: * do nothing and have fake news etc everywhere. * make it much much harder for users to submit material Both of those have serious impacts on us. So it's our problem really isn't it? Before you reply, ask yourself: would I pay a dollar to reply? If the answer is no, you can't really expect YC to spend money on "discernment" for every thread/article/text post can you?
    - mkr-hn 5y ago
      HN at least has a mod who I assume is paid who'll hear you out if you think something was removed/flag killed without merit.
      - afarrell 5y ago
        Yep, and I’m sure dang has silenced some people talking about [what they perceived as] human right abuses because that poster was [in dang’s subjective judgement] talking in a way that harmed the health of the community. I stick around this forum because I trust dang’s subjective judgement to be broadly wise. Partly because this is because the one time they chastised me I re-read my comment, gave it a second thought, and concluded “yep, thats easily-misinterpreted enough that someone with broader context on the overall health of this forum should remove it.”
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      "It's really not their problem though, is it. Because there are 2 fixes" That party is not gonna continue for long, we clearly have laws coming down the pipe
      - LatteLazy 5y ago
        Yeah, then what? Either more censorship or less, neither will be the discernment you want. This issue has no practical solution.
specialist 5y ago
Yes and: authenticity. Right now we can't discern gossip, propaganda, whistleblowing, journalism, etc. Because we can't discern authenticity. Say whatever you want. Sign your name if you want. Those choices are important signals for viewers evaluating new information.

>> "I'm honestly not sure what anyone expects here." Discernment.

by mkr-hn 5y ago

>> "I'm honestly not sure what anyone expects here." Discernment.

Discernment that aligns with their values and is scalable enough to be cheap. Google promised to not be “evil”, which is only as reliable a promise to the degree that “evil” is well-defined.

macspoofing 5y ago

Based on my personal standards?

LatteLazy 5y ago

Youtube make pennies per video, if you can provide "discernment" at that price, I'm sure they'll take you call. Until then, it's hammers missing nails and smashing walnuts. And that's without worrying that your definition might not match anyone else's...

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"Youtube make pennies per video, if you can provide "discernment" at that price" Thats their problem. Alternatively,maybe they don't give a fuck because they have a monopoly and they have nonreason to spend more money
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  It's really not their problem though, is it. Because there are 2 fixes: * do nothing and have fake news etc everywhere. * make it much much harder for users to submit material Both of those have serious impacts on us. So it's our problem really isn't it? Before you reply, ask yourself: would I pay a dollar to reply? If the answer is no, you can't really expect YC to spend money on "discernment" for every thread/article/text post can you?
  - mkr-hn 5y ago
    HN at least has a mod who I assume is paid who'll hear you out if you think something was removed/flag killed without merit.
    - afarrell 5y ago
      Yep, and I’m sure dang has silenced some people talking about [what they perceived as] human right abuses because that poster was [in dang’s subjective judgement] talking in a way that harmed the health of the community. I stick around this forum because I trust dang’s subjective judgement to be broadly wise. Partly because this is because the one time they chastised me I re-read my comment, gave it a second thought, and concluded “yep, thats easily-misinterpreted enough that someone with broader context on the overall health of this forum should remove it.”
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    "It's really not their problem though, is it. Because there are 2 fixes" That party is not gonna continue for long, we clearly have laws coming down the pipe
    - LatteLazy 5y ago
      Yeah, then what? Either more censorship or less, neither will be the discernment you want. This issue has no practical solution.

specialist 5y ago

Yes and: authenticity. Right now we can't discern gossip, propaganda, whistleblowing, journalism, etc. Because we can't discern authenticity. Say whatever you want. Sign your name if you want. Those choices are important signals for viewers evaluating new information.