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> I'd imagine you take the position that a child seeking this care is always confused. Could this be mistaken? I'd conjecture that you believe this to be the ca

> I'd imagine you take the position that a child seeking this care is always confused. Could this be mistaken? I'd conjecture that you believe this to be the case, because you don't address the simple fact that you assume that all children in this circumstance must be confused. If they are not, then they can give informed consent and your claim is void. A child who insists that he is no longer a male (or never was) is definitely confused. If that same child insists that he's black, even though both of his biological parents are white, would you take him at his word or save him from getting Dolezal'ed by an unforgiving woke mob? Children don't make good decisions. Their brains are literally missing the hardware until about age 25. [1] We don't allow them to make permanent changes that they might regret. 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/

KittenInABox 5y ago
I'm baffled by this because you're acting like not having puberty for a few years is a permanently regretful choice that can never be made by a medical professional assessing a child. If a medical professional assesses a child and determines a prescription of puberty blockers why should I give a shit?
- darkerside 5y ago
  If it's your child, went wouldn't you?
justinjlynn 5y ago
> A child who insists that he is no longer a male (or never was) is definitely confused. Circular, self-reinforcing, argument. Invalid. > If that same child insists that he's black, even though both of his biological parents are white, would you take him at his word or save him from getting Dolezal'ed by an unforgiving woke mob? Non-sequitur. Dismissed. Child still in need of psychological treatment. > Children don't make good decisions. Their brains are literally missing the hardware until about age 25. [1] We don't allow them to make permanent changes that they might regret. Sure we do. All the time. We allow them to grow up - that's rather permanent. You're not upset about that. Of course, it just so happens to be something you don't personally disagree with, unlike the topic of discussion.
- sepin4 5y ago
  You allow them to grow up, how magnonimous of you.
- slumdev 5y ago
  Allowing a child to grow up is like allowing a flower to bloom. There isn't a moral equivalence between interfering in the process and allowing nature to run its course.
  - justinjlynn 5y ago
    > There isn't a moral equivalence between interfering in the process and allowing nature to run its course. Argument from naturality. The moral equivalence arises from the context and circumstance - not on whether one chooses to interfere or not.
    - slumdev 5y ago
      That isn't an objection. Inaction doesn't require justification unless action is obligatory. The decision to help a child mutilate himself is never obligatory (or even justifiable).

KittenInABox 5y ago

I'm baffled by this because you're acting like not having puberty for a few years is a permanently regretful choice that can never be made by a medical professional assessing a child. If a medical professional assesses a child and determines a prescription of puberty blockers why should I give a shit?

darkerside 5y ago
If it's your child, went wouldn't you?

justinjlynn 5y ago

> A child who insists that he is no longer a male (or never was) is definitely confused. Circular, self-reinforcing, argument. Invalid. > If that same child insists that he's black, even though both of his biological parents are white, would you take him at his word or save him from getting Dolezal'ed by an unforgiving woke mob? Non-sequitur. Dismissed. Child still in need of psychological treatment. > Children don't make good decisions. Their brains are literally missing the hardware until about age 25. [1] We don't allow them to make permanent changes that they might regret. Sure we do. All the time. We allow them to grow up - that's rather permanent. You're not upset about that. Of course, it just so happens to be something you don't personally disagree with, unlike the topic of discussion.

sepin4 5y ago
You allow them to grow up, how magnonimous of you.
slumdev 5y ago
Allowing a child to grow up is like allowing a flower to bloom. There isn't a moral equivalence between interfering in the process and allowing nature to run its course.
- justinjlynn 5y ago
  > There isn't a moral equivalence between interfering in the process and allowing nature to run its course. Argument from naturality. The moral equivalence arises from the context and circumstance - not on whether one chooses to interfere or not.
  - slumdev 5y ago
    That isn't an objection. Inaction doesn't require justification unless action is obligatory. The decision to help a child mutilate himself is never obligatory (or even justifiable).