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> to respect that as long as the request is as respectful as me asking someone to do me a small favor. Is someone asking you to use their name a small favor or

> to respect that as long as the request is as respectful as me asking someone to do me a small favor. Is someone asking you to use their name a small favor or common societal expectation? Also, since when is pronoun use punishable? Who is talking about jail time? People are just asking for respect, that shouldn't be too much to ask. If everytime you see someone, you call them a rude name, and that person tells everyone you're rude, who is in the wrong?

nate_meurer 5y ago
Canada's C19 has the potential to criminalize misgendering: https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi... And note that the pronouns subject to misgendering include the "personal pronouns" such as ze/zir that are now being pushed by trans rights activists: https://www.mypronouns.org/how https://www.mypronouns.org/how
- justinjlynn 5y ago
  The "potential"... the article you link refutes your claim: > In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act. https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi...
  - nate_meurer 5y ago
    If you're going to cherry-pick, at least recognize some of the other cherries: > If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time? > It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. Sure sounds like "potential" to me, no matter how unlikely its proponents claim that will be. And any talk of tribunals always makes my ears perk up, as it should anyone who values representative democracy.
- nate_meurer 5y ago
  I said C19, which is wrong. It's C-16.
nec4b 5y ago
>>Is someone asking you to use their name a small favor or common societal expectation? We are not talking about that. Is more like a request to address somebody as his majesty or excellency.

nate_meurer 5y ago

Canada's C19 has the potential to criminalize misgendering: https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi... And note that the pronouns subject to misgendering include the "personal pronouns" such as ze/zir that are now being pushed by trans rights activists: https://www.mypronouns.org/how https://www.mypronouns.org/how

justinjlynn 5y ago
The "potential"... the article you link refutes your claim: > In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act. https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi...
- nate_meurer 5y ago
  If you're going to cherry-pick, at least recognize some of the other cherries: > If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time? > It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. Sure sounds like "potential" to me, no matter how unlikely its proponents claim that will be. And any talk of tribunals always makes my ears perk up, as it should anyone who values representative democracy.
nate_meurer 5y ago
I said C19, which is wrong. It's C-16.

nec4b 5y ago

>>Is someone asking you to use their name a small favor or common societal expectation? We are not talking about that. Is more like a request to address somebody as his majesty or excellency.