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But you're not just calling people by the wrong gender, you're acting as a gender authority and upholding the laws and restrictions against trans people that th

But you're not just calling people by the wrong gender, you're acting as a gender authority and upholding the laws and restrictions against trans people that the authorities put in place. Look at it from a trans person's perspective and it's clear that their struggle is a clash with authority. If your company forbids you from creating a toxic work environment for trans people then that is an extremely minor brush with authority compared to what trans people endure.

omginternets 5y ago
No. Sorry, but no. Nothing in expressing an opinion (much less indulging in name-calling) makes me a gender authority. Even if it amounted to a bona fide claim of authority, you can rightly dismiss it. No need to involve the law. In fact, I could just as well retort that you are currently positioning yourself as an authority on becoming a authority, which is just as ludicrous, and just as irrelevant to the question at hand. Again, this kind of conflation of ideas and Jesuit argumentation is precisely why CRT is opposed by a great many liberals.
- mike00632 5y ago
  The act of misgendering someone is not just "expressing an opinion." It's a slight. It's intentionally harmful. It creates a toxic environment.
  - greendave 5y ago
    This nicely captures the crux of the argument. I suspect it also explains why you’re going to have an uphill battle convincing a lot of folks. When the presumption of ill intent (and not e.g. confusion or ignorance) is automatic, there’s not much left to discuss. It’s worth remembering that cis children (and adults) are misgendered too, including for reasons as banal as unorthodox appearance or unusual names.
    - pseudalopex 5y ago
      No one was talking about accidents.
    - freemint 5y ago
      When should bullying or similar behaviour become punishable? Certainly not if you accidentally say something that afronts a person. The purpose of these compelled speech laws is to deal with repeated discriminatory or repeated bullying behaviour. Not to give everyone a tool to denounce strangers and get them into trouble with the law . Do you have any suggestions how what laws freithen you can be adjusted to make you more comfortable with them while allowing for harsher punishments for bullying/discriminatory due to them being a class worth protecting more?

omginternets 5y ago

No. Sorry, but no. Nothing in expressing an opinion (much less indulging in name-calling) makes me a gender authority. Even if it amounted to a bona fide claim of authority, you can rightly dismiss it. No need to involve the law. In fact, I could just as well retort that you are currently positioning yourself as an authority on becoming a authority, which is just as ludicrous, and just as irrelevant to the question at hand. Again, this kind of conflation of ideas and Jesuit argumentation is precisely why CRT is opposed by a great many liberals.

mike00632 5y ago
The act of misgendering someone is not just "expressing an opinion." It's a slight. It's intentionally harmful. It creates a toxic environment.
- greendave 5y ago
  This nicely captures the crux of the argument. I suspect it also explains why you’re going to have an uphill battle convincing a lot of folks. When the presumption of ill intent (and not e.g. confusion or ignorance) is automatic, there’s not much left to discuss. It’s worth remembering that cis children (and adults) are misgendered too, including for reasons as banal as unorthodox appearance or unusual names.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    No one was talking about accidents.
  - freemint 5y ago
    When should bullying or similar behaviour become punishable? Certainly not if you accidentally say something that afronts a person. The purpose of these compelled speech laws is to deal with repeated discriminatory or repeated bullying behaviour. Not to give everyone a tool to denounce strangers and get them into trouble with the law . Do you have any suggestions how what laws freithen you can be adjusted to make you more comfortable with them while allowing for harsher punishments for bullying/discriminatory due to them being a class worth protecting more?