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>all it took was a declaration to be housed in a female prison That's not at all what it takes. >Imagine how many abusers would take advantage of that circums

>all it took was a declaration to be housed in a female prison That's not at all what it takes. >Imagine how many abusers would take advantage of that circumstance? Imagine how many abusers already take advantage of the power they already have over women in women's prisons. That the real problem of sexual violence is focused and framed wholly and entirely on trans women is exactly the point made by the parent: this is an entirely disingenuous effort by people wholly uninterested in actually preventing the real, existing, non-imagined abuses in women's prisons and more interested in enforcing a strict gender binary that harms both cis and trans women.

hackinthebochs 5y ago
>That's not at all what it takes. In fact, it is all it takes in some jurisdictions[1] >Imagine how many abusers already take advantage of the power they already have over women in women's prisons. This is a disingenuous reply. The issue of abuse is colored by the difficulty in mitigation, i.e. available funds to significantly alter prisons, increase guards, etc. The fact that existing abuse has no easy, cost-effective solutions is not an argument against preventing the likely increase in abuse due to policy changes which are comparatively low-cost. [1]: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-05/california-prisons-consider-gender-identity-housing-requests https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-05/californ...
- omegaworks 5y ago
  That's not at all what your reference states. >Thornton said that “a person’s gender identity is self-reported and CDCR will evaluate any request submitted by an incarcerated person for gender-based housing.” This CDCR review process is a hurdle, and staffers are hypervigilant (to the point of manufacturing anxiety) of the transfers that have already happened. >But Moore, 43, said that she has also heard staffers question inmates housed with Calvin, asking whether she has exposed herself, explained her sexual behavior to them or said things that made them uncomfortable. She said the questioning has fomented anxiety and false rumors that Calvin is in a relationship.
  - hackinthebochs 5y ago
    From the article: >...when groundbreaking legislation gave transgender, intersex and nonbinary inmates the right, regardless of anatomy, to choose whether to be housed in a male or female prison... When asked whether inmates in the men’s prisons trying to manipulate the transfer system has been a significant issue, Thornton said that “a person’s gender identity is self-reported and CDCR will evaluate any request submitted by an incarcerated person for gender-based housing.”... Inmates can request transfers to their correctional counselor, which are then considered by a committee that includes the warden, custody, medical and mental health staffers, and a PREA compliance manager. Staffers review the inmate’s criminal record, health needs, custody level, sentence and safety concerns. There's certainly room for interpretation here, but it seems like the evaluation is based on specific personal requirements and any explicit safety concerns, not a medical or psychological exam to determine whether the request is due to one's genuine identity.
    - omegaworks 5y ago
      That is strictly more than "all it took was a declaration."

hackinthebochs 5y ago

>That's not at all what it takes. In fact, it is all it takes in some jurisdictions[1] >Imagine how many abusers already take advantage of the power they already have over women in women's prisons. This is a disingenuous reply. The issue of abuse is colored by the difficulty in mitigation, i.e. available funds to significantly alter prisons, increase guards, etc. The fact that existing abuse has no easy, cost-effective solutions is not an argument against preventing the likely increase in abuse due to policy changes which are comparatively low-cost. [1]: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-05/california-prisons-consider-gender-identity-housing-requests https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-05/californ...

omegaworks 5y ago
That's not at all what your reference states. >Thornton said that “a person’s gender identity is self-reported and CDCR will evaluate any request submitted by an incarcerated person for gender-based housing.” This CDCR review process is a hurdle, and staffers are hypervigilant (to the point of manufacturing anxiety) of the transfers that have already happened. >But Moore, 43, said that she has also heard staffers question inmates housed with Calvin, asking whether she has exposed herself, explained her sexual behavior to them or said things that made them uncomfortable. She said the questioning has fomented anxiety and false rumors that Calvin is in a relationship.
- hackinthebochs 5y ago
  From the article: >...when groundbreaking legislation gave transgender, intersex and nonbinary inmates the right, regardless of anatomy, to choose whether to be housed in a male or female prison... When asked whether inmates in the men’s prisons trying to manipulate the transfer system has been a significant issue, Thornton said that “a person’s gender identity is self-reported and CDCR will evaluate any request submitted by an incarcerated person for gender-based housing.”... Inmates can request transfers to their correctional counselor, which are then considered by a committee that includes the warden, custody, medical and mental health staffers, and a PREA compliance manager. Staffers review the inmate’s criminal record, health needs, custody level, sentence and safety concerns. There's certainly room for interpretation here, but it seems like the evaluation is based on specific personal requirements and any explicit safety concerns, not a medical or psychological exam to determine whether the request is due to one's genuine identity.
  - omegaworks 5y ago
    That is strictly more than "all it took was a declaration."