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You can acknowledge that premise without ‘hating men’. I am a man, and I have no problems admitting that rape was a legitimate tactic for our ancestors to pass

You can acknowledge that premise without ‘hating men’. I am a man, and I have no problems admitting that rape was a legitimate tactic for our ancestors to pass their genetics along. It’s a fact that we’ll have to deal with. On the other hand, when it comes to issues of race, I’m hard pressed to believe there are massive evolutionary/biological differences that need to be accounted for.

read_if_gay_ 5y ago
Let me put forward this absurd argument: Rape was a legitimate tactic for females to pass their genes along too, because if your male kid inherits rapist tendencies he’s more likely to procreate. So female brains really evolved in such a way that they want to be raped, and that’s why seductive clothing and rape kinks exist. The point being: evolutionary biology is great for rationalizing just about any theory and therefore isn’t really a solid foundation for making conclusions about large swathes of the population. Putting forward an argument like this doesn’t add much except for more male self hate. I don’t think you should have no problem “admitting” this.
- CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
  Your point about using evolutionary theories to justify absurd arguments has merit - however the example you provided is a bad one. There are many species of animals in which males engage in rape [1] and almost none (that I can find) in which the females do. Any way, every step we take towards admitting the biological differences that exist between men and women, is a step towards a more healthy society. Getting so angry over this is unhealthy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals
  - read_if_gay_ 5y ago
    I think you misread my example. I’m also not sure where I come across as angry. > admitting the biological differences that exist between men and women, is a step towards a more healthy society. Asserting to 50% of the population that they are, by nature, literal rapists, when the vast majority will never commit anything even close to such a crime, is not a sign of a healthy society.
    - CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
      > Asserting to 50% of the population that they are, by nature, literal rapists That’s not the assertion here at all. The assertion is that men are more likely to commit rape, and that women have a _valid_ fear of this happening because of purely biological phenomena. Calling a man a rapist, and telling him he is more likely to commit rape than a female is, are two completely different things. The healthy society I was referring to does not find anyone guilty of a crime they never committed, but acknowledges the fact that certain crimes are committed more often because of biological reasons.
      - read_if_gay_ 5y ago
        Right, we're calling them "more likely rapists" instead of "rapists". That's still not a healthy message. Or would you also call black people "more likely murderers"?
        CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
        I think you're mistaking 'healthy messages' with 'the truth'. Political correctness often separates the two. "Men are more likely rapists than women are" is simply a statistical fact that you are going have to come to terms with. Also, if you haven't understood why differences between men and women can't be compared to differences between black and white people, then there is no point in continuing this, to be honest.
        read_if_gay_ 5y ago
        > differences between men and women can't be compared to differences between black and white people Why not? You never argued this before. > "Men are more likely rapists than women are" is simply a statistical fact that you are going have to come to terms with. If you can't be bothered to explain the above, maybe you want to tell me instead: did you oppose the firing of James Damore due to his memo in which he argued "statistical facts that people are going have to come to terms with"?

read_if_gay_ 5y ago

Let me put forward this absurd argument: Rape was a legitimate tactic for females to pass their genes along too, because if your male kid inherits rapist tendencies he’s more likely to procreate. So female brains really evolved in such a way that they want to be raped, and that’s why seductive clothing and rape kinks exist. The point being: evolutionary biology is great for rationalizing just about any theory and therefore isn’t really a solid foundation for making conclusions about large swathes of the population. Putting forward an argument like this doesn’t add much except for more male self hate. I don’t think you should have no problem “admitting” this.

CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
Your point about using evolutionary theories to justify absurd arguments has merit - however the example you provided is a bad one. There are many species of animals in which males engage in rape [1] and almost none (that I can find) in which the females do. Any way, every step we take towards admitting the biological differences that exist between men and women, is a step towards a more healthy society. Getting so angry over this is unhealthy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago
  I think you misread my example. I’m also not sure where I come across as angry. > admitting the biological differences that exist between men and women, is a step towards a more healthy society. Asserting to 50% of the population that they are, by nature, literal rapists, when the vast majority will never commit anything even close to such a crime, is not a sign of a healthy society.
  - CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
    > Asserting to 50% of the population that they are, by nature, literal rapists That’s not the assertion here at all. The assertion is that men are more likely to commit rape, and that women have a _valid_ fear of this happening because of purely biological phenomena. Calling a man a rapist, and telling him he is more likely to commit rape than a female is, are two completely different things. The healthy society I was referring to does not find anyone guilty of a crime they never committed, but acknowledges the fact that certain crimes are committed more often because of biological reasons.
    - read_if_gay_ 5y ago
      Right, we're calling them "more likely rapists" instead of "rapists". That's still not a healthy message. Or would you also call black people "more likely murderers"?
      - CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
        I think you're mistaking 'healthy messages' with 'the truth'. Political correctness often separates the two. "Men are more likely rapists than women are" is simply a statistical fact that you are going have to come to terms with. Also, if you haven't understood why differences between men and women can't be compared to differences between black and white people, then there is no point in continuing this, to be honest.
        read_if_gay_ 5y ago
        > differences between men and women can't be compared to differences between black and white people Why not? You never argued this before. > "Men are more likely rapists than women are" is simply a statistical fact that you are going have to come to terms with. If you can't be bothered to explain the above, maybe you want to tell me instead: did you oppose the firing of James Damore due to his memo in which he argued "statistical facts that people are going have to come to terms with"?