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It should absolutely be discounted. There's literally no evidence suggesting he was murdered. He was about to be extradited, the US Government was well on thei

by Me1000 5y ago

It should absolutely be discounted. There's literally no evidence suggesting he was murdered. He was about to be extradited, the US Government was well on their way to making an example of him. There was no incentive to murder him.

gpt5 5y ago
Also of note - suicide in the US is extremely difficult if you've been identified as someone with intention. You get checked on every 15 minutes, including at night (which can be a torture by itself)
- pupdogg 5y ago
  15 minute checks aside, I’m pretty sure every federal prison has enough amount of cameras to keep an eye out from the local central command station…especially in 2021. Still surprised there was no evidence of this sort for Jeffery Epstein.
- beambot 5y ago
  Doesn't seem that uncommon: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/02/13/jaildeaths/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/02/13/jaildeaths/
- Broken_Hippo 5y ago
  I'm going to mention that this jail was not in the US. I'm not familiar with jail policies in Spain, and it might be easy. As far as the US is concerned, you've quoted policy. I'm pretty sure that jails and prisons in the US are supposed to provide medical care, mental health care, food enough for decent health (without having maggots): There are plenty of examples of it not happening. "I didn't know they were suicidal" or "We've been short staffed, and I couldn't check on him" are easy excuses.
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jldugger 5y ago
I feel like, in the world of outlandish theories, faking his own death is far more likely than a gangland murder.
saul_goodman 5y ago
"There's literally no evidence suggesting he was murdered." I mean, he did get a tattoo saying if he was found dead while in custody he had been murdered. But do go on...
- Me1000 5y ago
  That’s not how evidence works, my friend.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    You gonna back that statement up with some evidence? It's evidence, perhaps not evidence you like or would work well in a court of law, but it's a type of evidence regardless.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      What's "evidence"; his tattoo? What is it evidence of? AFAICS it's evidence either that he was trying to make himself seem a martyr, or that he was just generally unhinged. Both, of course, at the time he got it -- now, around the time of his death, it isn't evidence of anything at all; now it's just a bunch of fading old paint on his arm that has nothing to do with what is happening now. But that's all it is "evidence" of. Claiming it's relevant in any way or "evidence" of anything else is like reading tealeaves, seeing deep significance in the colour of the getaway car at some bungled heist: "It was green, as in the Green Party the accused is a supporter of! So this was an act of poitically-motivated domestic terrorism! I rest my case!" -- "The defence?" -- "Your honour, my client bought that green 1992 Plymouth Omni at Honest Joe's Great Car Bargains six years ago. It was green at the time, had been ever since it was built, and my client assures me he bought it not because of the colour but because it was the cheapest car on the lot. And the reason he joined in on a plan to commit armed robbery was not political, but because he still drives that 1992 Plymouth Omni that was the cheapest car on the lot six years ago."

by Me1000 5y ago

gpt5 5y ago

Also of note - suicide in the US is extremely difficult if you've been identified as someone with intention. You get checked on every 15 minutes, including at night (which can be a torture by itself)

pupdogg 5y ago
15 minute checks aside, I’m pretty sure every federal prison has enough amount of cameras to keep an eye out from the local central command station…especially in 2021. Still surprised there was no evidence of this sort for Jeffery Epstein.
beambot 5y ago
Doesn't seem that uncommon: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/02/13/jaildeaths/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/02/13/jaildeaths/
Broken_Hippo 5y ago
I'm going to mention that this jail was not in the US. I'm not familiar with jail policies in Spain, and it might be easy. As far as the US is concerned, you've quoted policy. I'm pretty sure that jails and prisons in the US are supposed to provide medical care, mental health care, food enough for decent health (without having maggots): There are plenty of examples of it not happening. "I didn't know they were suicidal" or "We've been short staffed, and I couldn't check on him" are easy excuses.
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jldugger 5y ago

I feel like, in the world of outlandish theories, faking his own death is far more likely than a gangland murder.

saul_goodman 5y ago

"There's literally no evidence suggesting he was murdered." I mean, he did get a tattoo saying if he was found dead while in custody he had been murdered. But do go on...

Me1000 5y ago
That’s not how evidence works, my friend.
- colordrops 5y ago
  You gonna back that statement up with some evidence? It's evidence, perhaps not evidence you like or would work well in a court of law, but it's a type of evidence regardless.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    What's "evidence"; his tattoo? What is it evidence of? AFAICS it's evidence either that he was trying to make himself seem a martyr, or that he was just generally unhinged. Both, of course, at the time he got it -- now, around the time of his death, it isn't evidence of anything at all; now it's just a bunch of fading old paint on his arm that has nothing to do with what is happening now. But that's all it is "evidence" of. Claiming it's relevant in any way or "evidence" of anything else is like reading tealeaves, seeing deep significance in the colour of the getaway car at some bungled heist: "It was green, as in the Green Party the accused is a supporter of! So this was an act of poitically-motivated domestic terrorism! I rest my case!" -- "The defence?" -- "Your honour, my client bought that green 1992 Plymouth Omni at Honest Joe's Great Car Bargains six years ago. It was green at the time, had been ever since it was built, and my client assures me he bought it not because of the colour but because it was the cheapest car on the lot. And the reason he joined in on a plan to commit armed robbery was not political, but because he still drives that 1992 Plymouth Omni that was the cheapest car on the lot six years ago."