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>sounds like discrimination and should be illegal IME the "unique backgrounds" are "doesn't have a CS degree or a couple years of experience at a big software

>sounds like discrimination and should be illegal IME the "unique backgrounds" are "doesn't have a CS degree or a couple years of experience at a big software shop".

b20000 5y ago
yep, discrimination
- ryan93 5y ago
  You could at least explain how it’s unfair to pay less qualified applicants less money?
  - b20000 5y ago
    it is unfair to require leetcode bullshit interviews from candidates who apply for a job via the normal route but at the same time have programs in place where people can enter some kind of internship or training program via which they can be hired into similar positions without going through the exact same interview process. in fact, it is illegal.
  - JorkJork 5y ago
    It's bold to assume that the Google interview process accepts all qualified applicants.
    - b20000 5y ago
      bold? as long as there is no discrimination going on they can do what they want. the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on. maybe you don’t care because you work there. good for you. sooner or later, it will matter to you.
      - JorkJork 5y ago
        > the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on. Try "the interview process is bad and has low recall." > sooner or later, it will matter to you. It already matters to me.
      - sneak 5y ago
        Discrimination against all but protected classes (eg race, religion, et c) is not only legal but standard practice; when hiring SWEs you want to discriminate against the inexperienced, those bad at code, et c.
        b20000 5y ago
        the point here is that not everyone goes through the same recruiting process because of these programs. also, coding interviews do not test if you are a good software engineer or computer scientist. they test how well you memorized optimal solutions to problems and how quickly you can reproduce them. they also discriminate against those with anxiety or other mental issues or those who have not recently graduated. and they do not test many important skills besides writing code.
rejectedandsad 5y ago
That's generally not what I've seen. It's generally just the same sorts of folks from top schools.
username90 5y ago
"Unique Backgrounds" meant women or lgtb or non-asian non-white. They often came from top schools, so that didn't really matter. It is way easier to get into Google via this program so some lied about being gay to get in.
- b20000 5y ago
  the fact that this programs exist in the first place is a problem. how is it fair to have different interview processes for certain groups of people? it also results in underpaying these people and making it difficult for them to leave.

>sounds like discrimination and should be illegal IME the "unique backgrounds" are "doesn't have a CS degree or a couple years of experience at a big software shop".

b20000 5y ago

yep, discrimination

ryan93 5y ago
You could at least explain how it’s unfair to pay less qualified applicants less money?
- b20000 5y ago
  it is unfair to require leetcode bullshit interviews from candidates who apply for a job via the normal route but at the same time have programs in place where people can enter some kind of internship or training program via which they can be hired into similar positions without going through the exact same interview process. in fact, it is illegal.
- JorkJork 5y ago
  It's bold to assume that the Google interview process accepts all qualified applicants.
  - b20000 5y ago
    bold? as long as there is no discrimination going on they can do what they want. the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on. maybe you don’t care because you work there. good for you. sooner or later, it will matter to you.
    - JorkJork 5y ago
      > the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on. Try "the interview process is bad and has low recall." > sooner or later, it will matter to you. It already matters to me.
    - sneak 5y ago
      Discrimination against all but protected classes (eg race, religion, et c) is not only legal but standard practice; when hiring SWEs you want to discriminate against the inexperienced, those bad at code, et c.
      - b20000 5y ago
        the point here is that not everyone goes through the same recruiting process because of these programs. also, coding interviews do not test if you are a good software engineer or computer scientist. they test how well you memorized optimal solutions to problems and how quickly you can reproduce them. they also discriminate against those with anxiety or other mental issues or those who have not recently graduated. and they do not test many important skills besides writing code.

rejectedandsad 5y ago

That's generally not what I've seen. It's generally just the same sorts of folks from top schools.

username90 5y ago

"Unique Backgrounds" meant women or lgtb or non-asian non-white. They often came from top schools, so that didn't really matter. It is way easier to get into Google via this program so some lied about being gay to get in.

b20000 5y ago
the fact that this programs exist in the first place is a problem. how is it fair to have different interview processes for certain groups of people? it also results in underpaying these people and making it difficult for them to leave.