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>Capitalism has all the murders and atrocities you can think of. It's not even close to the combination of mass purges and economic failure-driven mass starvat
by SkyMarshal 5y ago
>Capitalism has all the murders and atrocities you can think of.
It's not even close to the combination of mass purges and economic failure-driven mass starvation under the Communists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_...
>It’s just not attributable to a single entity, but hidden behind ideas like „not profitable“. Ebola vaccine anyone? Tuberculosis? Cobalt exploitation? Climate change. Peak phosphorus. Pollution. How many annual death in the US are preventable with a better welfare system?
Agree with all of the above, no argument there.
>I shiver when privileged Americans talk about social darwinism like it’s a good thing,
Agreed, it's the ultimate form of self-back-patting complacency.
>And GoFundMe campaigns for cancer treatment…
This is certainly a modern absurdity and indictment of US healthcare. I suspect single payer would be a net savings on healthcare for society, along with some reforms like requiring healthcare providers to publish prices for procedures and services, instead of having some back office financial engineer figuring out different prices for different patients based on how much he can squeeze out of their insurance plans.
>Most academic economists don’t believe in the whole unregulated free market fantasy, anymore.
After the deregulation of the 90s, and resulting wealth concentration, instability, and resulting Global Financial Crisis, more and more Americans don't believe it anymore either. In hindsight, the post-Great Depression Glass-Steagal regulations seem to have effectively applied the generally desirable principles of decentralization and separation of concerns to the financial system. It would probably be a net win for most of society to reinstate them.
All that said, as problematic as capitalism can be, let's not be in too much rush to forget how much worse other alternatives have been and are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_of_European_Memory_and_Conscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_of_European_Memory_an...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_...
- _jujw 5y agoI am not down playing Stalin‘s and Mao‘s genocides. Nor do I advocate for „communism“. Just pointing out how capitalism isn’t exactly free of horrors, but they are hard to measure. E.g. tuberculosis claiming 1.5 million lives each year, but not in the west, so there is very little done about it. Or HIV. The thing is we are not comparing individual countries but ideologies here. And capitalism fails those deceased for economic reasons. It’s easy to overlook. You can mix capitalism and collectivism, as most countries did. It’s not black and white.
- SkyMarshal 5y agoI don't know why people are downvoting us both, since it's a fairly rational and respectful discussion, albeit about a controversial topic. Have an upvote.
- _jujw 5y agoMy comment is at -1. Not too bad. Matches the content of the new comments around. Either way I join your conspiracy <3