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He’s a murderer and fraudster. You do not in fact have to applaud him for anything.

by xadhominemx 5y ago

bogwog 5y ago
and allegedly a rapist
- f38zf5vdt 5y ago
  Just like many of our founding fathers!
- tptacek 5y ago
  At least one of those rape accusations was made on camera, by Allison Adonizio. It's not a fuzzy Twitter rumor thing. She accuses him of drugging and raping her.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    Not saying it did or didn't happen but plenty of people has been accused not only on Twitter but also on TV for things they never did.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      He was convicted neither of rape nor of murder (though he was apparently found culpable for the murder by a US federal judge in a wrongful death suit). I believe he is guilty of both, as is my right; you might disagree, as is your right.
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        My point is only that I refuse to judge people just because someone has said it in a specific medium. (Generally I try not to judge people much at all.) I have dear friends that have been tarred and feathered by national broadcasters and I am supposedly one of the victims as are many of my closest friends and I can't relate to the story at all :-/
        tptacek 5y ago
        You are free to use your own experiences and weightings of circumstance to reach your own conclusions about McAfee. I find the accusations against him to be highly credible.
Taek 5y ago
You can celebrate someone's accomplishments without condoning their sins. I applaud lots of little pieces of his life and reject/regret many others.
- cabaalis 5y ago
  I agree with you, but I'm pretty sure the age of social media has us in the minority.
  - doopy1 5y ago
    I agree with you guys... but this dude's accomplishments are few and purely self-serving.
- aeturnum 5y ago
  I feel like there are some obvious problems with celebrating successes without making room for what the person did to achieve that success. As an example: it would be odd to celebrate Amazon's financial success without mentioning their labor practices. Agree or disagree with them, they are part of how Amazon is able to make money. If people are more than the worst thing they have ever done, then they are also more than the best thing they ever did. Talking about either in isolation is deceptive.
- yashap 5y ago
  I agree to a certain extent, but ... if the allegations are true, he murdered his neighbour, raped at least 1 woman, hired a small private army, and was possibly running drugs. For me, that dominates my picture of him, building an anti-virus company seems like a small detail in comparison. We’ll never know for sure which of the allegations are true, but from what I’ve read/watched, my personal opinion is most seem pretty credible. If they are, I’d find it in poor taste to celebrate much about the man, given how much pain and suffering he’s likely caused.
  - 3np 5y ago
    > possibly running drugs Didn’t he have a pretty detailed site on “how to smuggle drugs through Central America and get away with it”? I’m pretty sure that was him. Can’t seem to find the site rn though.
JohnMcafee 5y ago
Rude
pessimizer 5y ago
> issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the terror group ISIL. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them" https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576 https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576
DynamicStatic 5y ago
Guilty until proven innocent?
- dennis_jeeves 5y ago
  That's the HN default I think.
xwolfi 5y ago
This cancel culture thing where a few negative cancels all the good you could have done is really weird. Voltaire is racist, Washington had slaves, this or that twiteroo said 10 years ago some kind of sorry thing, McAfee killed and frauded. Look it's all kinda true and all kinda irrelevant. People are more than the 10% of the time they sinned. I sure have sinned, and I sure hope you'll still find me valuable as a human.
- xadhominemx 5y ago
  If you were a rapist, murderer, and fraudster, I would not find you valuable as a human
- dheera 5y ago
  There's a big difference between cancelling someone for something offensive they said on Twitter (which I disagree with) and cancelling someone who committed murder and rape. Big, big difference.
- pcwalton 5y ago
  Yes, one heinous act can outweigh all the good someone did. That's why we lock up murderers. That's not "cancel culture", it's every functioning justice system on earth.
niyikiza 5y ago
Nobody "is" anything. People do things. He did some good things, worth praising. He's also allegedly done some despicable things that we should condemn.

He’s a murderer and fraudster. You do not in fact have to applaud him for anything.

bogwog 5y ago

and allegedly a rapist

f38zf5vdt 5y ago
Just like many of our founding fathers!
tptacek 5y ago
At least one of those rape accusations was made on camera, by Allison Adonizio. It's not a fuzzy Twitter rumor thing. She accuses him of drugging and raping her.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  Not saying it did or didn't happen but plenty of people has been accused not only on Twitter but also on TV for things they never did.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    He was convicted neither of rape nor of murder (though he was apparently found culpable for the murder by a US federal judge in a wrongful death suit). I believe he is guilty of both, as is my right; you might disagree, as is your right.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      My point is only that I refuse to judge people just because someone has said it in a specific medium. (Generally I try not to judge people much at all.) I have dear friends that have been tarred and feathered by national broadcasters and I am supposedly one of the victims as are many of my closest friends and I can't relate to the story at all :-/
      - tptacek 5y ago
        You are free to use your own experiences and weightings of circumstance to reach your own conclusions about McAfee. I find the accusations against him to be highly credible.

Taek 5y ago

You can celebrate someone's accomplishments without condoning their sins. I applaud lots of little pieces of his life and reject/regret many others.

cabaalis 5y ago
I agree with you, but I'm pretty sure the age of social media has us in the minority.
- doopy1 5y ago
  I agree with you guys... but this dude's accomplishments are few and purely self-serving.
aeturnum 5y ago
I feel like there are some obvious problems with celebrating successes without making room for what the person did to achieve that success. As an example: it would be odd to celebrate Amazon's financial success without mentioning their labor practices. Agree or disagree with them, they are part of how Amazon is able to make money. If people are more than the worst thing they have ever done, then they are also more than the best thing they ever did. Talking about either in isolation is deceptive.
yashap 5y ago
I agree to a certain extent, but ... if the allegations are true, he murdered his neighbour, raped at least 1 woman, hired a small private army, and was possibly running drugs. For me, that dominates my picture of him, building an anti-virus company seems like a small detail in comparison. We’ll never know for sure which of the allegations are true, but from what I’ve read/watched, my personal opinion is most seem pretty credible. If they are, I’d find it in poor taste to celebrate much about the man, given how much pain and suffering he’s likely caused.
- 3np 5y ago
  > possibly running drugs Didn’t he have a pretty detailed site on “how to smuggle drugs through Central America and get away with it”? I’m pretty sure that was him. Can’t seem to find the site rn though.

JohnMcafee 5y ago

Rude

pessimizer 5y ago

> issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the terror group ISIL. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them" https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576 https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576

DynamicStatic 5y ago

Guilty until proven innocent?

dennis_jeeves 5y ago
That's the HN default I think.

xwolfi 5y ago

This cancel culture thing where a few negative cancels all the good you could have done is really weird. Voltaire is racist, Washington had slaves, this or that twiteroo said 10 years ago some kind of sorry thing, McAfee killed and frauded. Look it's all kinda true and all kinda irrelevant. People are more than the 10% of the time they sinned. I sure have sinned, and I sure hope you'll still find me valuable as a human.

xadhominemx 5y ago
If you were a rapist, murderer, and fraudster, I would not find you valuable as a human
dheera 5y ago
There's a big difference between cancelling someone for something offensive they said on Twitter (which I disagree with) and cancelling someone who committed murder and rape. Big, big difference.
pcwalton 5y ago
Yes, one heinous act can outweigh all the good someone did. That's why we lock up murderers. That's not "cancel culture", it's every functioning justice system on earth.

niyikiza 5y ago

Nobody "is" anything. People do things. He did some good things, worth praising. He's also allegedly done some despicable things that we should condemn.