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> predatory trans women How about predatory men pretending to be trans-women?

by meragrin_ 5y ago

ENIanDEM 5y ago
Can we please return to some semblance of reality?
- throwaway384028 5y ago
  In a thread related to women thinking they're men and men thinking they're women
- meragrin_ 5y ago
  The reality is predatory men already invade women's restrooms for perverted reasons. You don't think they would not be emboldened by being able to shame people for being transphobic to increase their chances of getting away with whatever they are doing?
eropple 5y ago
If you're going to hypothesize, doesn't it obligate you to substantiate the claim? Are predatory men pretending to be transwomen a problem on any statistically noticeable level?
- meragrin_ 5y ago
  I'm not hypothesizing anything. I'm pointing out that "someone who's biologically male in the women's room" doesn't have to mean "predatory trans-woman" but could be "predatory man pretending to be trans".
  - eropple 5y ago
    And I'm asking you, when you are just-pointing-out, if it's actually happening in a way that is statistically recognizable and thus a contribution to the discourse in question, or if it's not.
Latty 5y ago
Even if we ignore the fact this is a nonsense non-issue that isn't solved by the "solution" of forcing people into bathrooms by biological sex rather than gender identity, it's still nonsense. You've just created a world where predatory men pretend to be trans men, who are now legally required to use women's bathrooms. At least most trans women are trying to express in a feminine way (disregarding the issues with women—cis and trans—being discriminated against for not being “feminine enough” by someone's standard), with this "solution", you've just normalised people actively trying to be as masculine as possible going into women's bathrooms. Congrats. (Of course, predation in bathrooms is illegal, why on earth would someone who is willing to break that law be stopped by another one saying they aren't meant to be there? It's literally the same nonsense argument used by homophobes to argue we shouldn't allow gay people into those spaces.)

> predatory trans women How about predatory men pretending to be trans-women?

ENIanDEM 5y ago

Can we please return to some semblance of reality?

throwaway384028 5y ago
In a thread related to women thinking they're men and men thinking they're women
meragrin_ 5y ago
The reality is predatory men already invade women's restrooms for perverted reasons. You don't think they would not be emboldened by being able to shame people for being transphobic to increase their chances of getting away with whatever they are doing?

eropple 5y ago

If you're going to hypothesize, doesn't it obligate you to substantiate the claim? Are predatory men pretending to be transwomen a problem on any statistically noticeable level?

meragrin_ 5y ago
I'm not hypothesizing anything. I'm pointing out that "someone who's biologically male in the women's room" doesn't have to mean "predatory trans-woman" but could be "predatory man pretending to be trans".
- eropple 5y ago
  And I'm asking you, when you are just-pointing-out, if it's actually happening in a way that is statistically recognizable and thus a contribution to the discourse in question, or if it's not.

Latty 5y ago

Even if we ignore the fact this is a nonsense non-issue that isn't solved by the "solution" of forcing people into bathrooms by biological sex rather than gender identity, it's still nonsense. You've just created a world where predatory men pretend to be trans men, who are now legally required to use women's bathrooms. At least most trans women are trying to express in a feminine way (disregarding the issues with women—cis and trans—being discriminated against for not being “feminine enough” by someone's standard), with this "solution", you've just normalised people actively trying to be as masculine as possible going into women's bathrooms. Congrats. (Of course, predation in bathrooms is illegal, why on earth would someone who is willing to break that law be stopped by another one saying they aren't meant to be there? It's literally the same nonsense argument used by homophobes to argue we shouldn't allow gay people into those spaces.)