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I can't imagine what this debate must feel like to someone who grew up in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Until 10 years ago gay marriage wasn't official policy of Oba
by f154hfds 5y ago
I can't imagine what this debate must feel like to someone who grew up in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Until 10 years ago gay marriage wasn't official policy of Obama or Clinton or I believe the majority of the Democratic party. The pace is dizzying.
It feels like a race to the bottom, but I don't know where the bottom even is. Without push back this could spell the end of women's sports, women's prisons - heck, pretty much all institutions for women (except natal/health related) are facing an existential crisis over this. Women's sports are the most obvious. Why would a woman participate in the highest level of competition if she has no chance of success no matter what she does because she was born with XX chromosomes? One transgender athlete in the meet is one thing. What happens when gold, silver and bronze are all taken away? Of all our recent societal enlightenments this one seems most ill-fated. Trans activists should be able to foresee this eventuality and realize it's a bridge too far.
At the end of the day, we live in a culture where identity self-actualization is the paramount freedom without which one is considered oppressed. My question is really where do we settle out? Where are the boundaries that we recognize as a society are put there for our own protection? What happens when one person's self-actualization is in direct conflict with another's? When one group's (cis women) is in conflict with another's (trans women)?
- plank_time 5y ago> Until 10 years ago gay marriage wasn't official policy of Obama I think you are misremembering. Obama was actively against gay marriage and defended his views against gay marriage through the 2012 election. I think Biden was the one to first broach the topic in 2014 with his active support for it.
- f154hfds 5y agoI think that's what I'm saying too unless I misunderstand. 2012 was 9 years ago, and Obama was anti gay marriage. So was Clinton for that matter until about 2015. https://www.eqca.org/hillary-clinton-has-a-new-position-on-same-sex-marriage/ https://www.eqca.org/hillary-clinton-has-a-new-position-on-s...