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Wouldn't this be the opposite of that scenario? As in, someone has a given name at birth but they prefer a nickname and some people find using the nickname too
by jotux 5y ago
Wouldn't this be the opposite of that scenario? As in, someone has a given name at birth but they prefer a nickname and some people find using the nickname too onerous and use their given name instead?
- mike00632 5y agoYeah, my legal name is "Michael". If I asked you to call me "Mike" is that really such a pain for you?
- kofejnik 5y agoIf I asked you to call me "Your Majesty" and bow your head every time (only slightly, tho), would it really be such a pain to you?
- mike00632 5y agoI will leave it as an exercise to you to describe the difference between calling someone by their preferred pronouns and treating them like royalty.
- inglor_cz 5y agoI will leave it as an exercise to you Not the OP, but what a smug reply. This is not mathematics, you are not the professor, and it would be only fair if you started with your own description of said difference, as you see it. You cannot expect that everyone sees it in the same way, can you?
- mike00632 5y agoCan you really not see the difference? Do you need me to explain it to you? Because it's pretty clear that they're different and obvious that this was a bad faith comment. If you honestly believe that respecting a trans person's pronouns is similar to calling them "Your majesty" and bowing to them, then tell me and I will patiently explain to you the lessons you missed as a child in basic human decency.
- inglor_cz 5y ago" I will patiently explain to you the lessons you missed as a child in basic human decency. " Do it, go ahead. Just do not avoid the topic anymore by acting as if it were unspeakable.
- lukebitts 5y agoIs calling someone by their preferred pronouns as onerous as treating them like royalty to you? I see now why so many people make such a fuss about this.
- textgel 5y agoNo, but if you ask me to call you a chartered mechanical engineer when you aren't then that changes things.
- mike00632 5y agoTrans people aren't asking to get credit for certifications or degrees they didn't receive. Calling someone by their preferred pronouns isn't bestowing an honorific upon someone (as if it's up to you to be the arbiter of that anyways). It's basic decency.
- textgel 5y agoPronouns are defacto and typically dejure certifications. Do you think previously male transgender women should be permitted to enter women's athletic competition? Do you think it is trans-phobic to say you wouldn't date someone who was transgender? Do you think misgendering a transgender individual should be a "hatecrime"?
- jotux 5y agoNo, it wouldn't be a pain for me or most people. The point I was making is that giving someone a nickname they don't like is completely different from not calling someone a nickname they prefer. Regarding nicknames, I do sometimes interact with people that have nicknames that I'm not comfortable with or the thought of using that name for them doesn't seem respectful. For example, I took a two week class that was taught by former astronaut Sherwood "Woody" Spring. His peers all called him Woody but it seemed too personal for the teach-student relationship we were in and I defaulted to calling him Mr. Spring. He didn't mind that. I suspect the majority of people that go by nicknames don't really mind when people call them by their given name or a formal version of their name. Generally I think nicknames are just a bad analogy for gender, so we shouldn't use the comparison at all.
- mike00632 5y agoIs it a bad analogy? What extra effort do you go through to defer to another person about their gender? If anything it's less effort than remembering two names. Please explain it to me because it seems awfully bigoted to perpetuate this myth that trans people are such a burden that we can't possibly treat them like how we treat each other.