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> This would mean throwing out a lot of the more epheremeral complaints "I feel unsafe if there is a man in the bathroom." Why? Let's fix that part, then. Becau
by IncRnd 5y ago
> This would mean throwing out a lot of the more epheremeral complaints "I feel unsafe if there is a man in the bathroom." Why? Let's fix that part, then. Because there are going to be scary women too.
Do you recognize that there are actual reasons that a woman might not want to go into a bathroom with 5 men in it?
- Udik 5y agoThat they peed all around the toilet?
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoI recognize that. But isn’t that also a form of discrimination? The suggestion is that all men are capable of being perverts, using their camera phones inappropriately, bathroom harassment, etc. To build gender-specific bathrooms because of that generalization of men is hypocritical of the entire gender discrimination movement. Reverse discrimination.
- LatteLazy 5y agoCareful, it sounds like you might be banning 99% of a minority because 1% behaved badly. I know that's not what you intend. :)
- tomp 5y agoIt took a lot of mental self-awareness on my part, and reading a lot of such statements, to recognise how strongly I've been mentally programmed (brainwashed) by society to think of men as evil, and not even flinch when I used to read statements like the one above (implying / assuming that men are, by default, extremely violent and dangerous, and that everyone is justified by judging every man as such). It's easier to see if you replace "men" (currently a non-favoured demographic) by e.g. "black" (currently a favoured demographic). > Do you recognize that there are actual reasons that a white person might not want to go into a bathroom with 5 black people in it?
- bjoli 5y agoI am a man, and I don't want to go in to the same bathroom as 5 other men, especially not of they are a group and drunk. The reason is simple: I have found it much more common for men to take pleasure in having power over other people by threat of violence. They are assholes of course, but that shit is pretty common. I would even claim that anyone that says otherwise probably never did more than 4 pub rounds. Or went to a public school.
- read_if_gay_ 5y agoThere’s also actual data that black people commit an outsized percentage of violent crime in the US yet any statement like this with “black” substituted for “men” would be downvoted into oblivion. The common argument is that it’s really society’s mistreatment of black people which is to blame for the criminality. Why is that same argument not applied here?
- jsaflas 5y agoLet's concede your argument that Black men are more dangerous than white men (I don't think so, at least not due to genetic differences). At best the data shows a factor of 2 more violent. Men are more violent than women by 2 orders of magnitude. And, unlike your example, there is no doubt its physiological in nature We have testicles and therefore are frothing with testosterone. And it's not unique to humans; farmers castrate bulls to make them docile in an ox team.
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago> Men are more violent than women by 2 orders of magnitude Natives are more violent than Asians by a full order of magnitude, too. Should Asians demand separate restrooms from Natives? > And, unlike your example, there is no doubt its physiological in nature No doubt all of it is physiological? Because... testosterone? While, if data points towards some race being more violent, then it’s a mere “I don’t think so”? I think such a big claim needs a better explanation.
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- distrill 5y agoThere are other solutions than what you're describing. I've been in a number of bars with unsexed bathrooms, where the sinks are all in the open and there are private secure individual stalls. I don't know that this is the best solution, but it does remove the gender distinction from the bathrooms and it certainly isn't "a bathroom with 5 men in it".