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GTK and QT on the smartphone is just reseting history. Please don't use software that wad conceived for desktops with 2010 era mobile support. Developers aren'

GTK and QT on the smartphone is just reseting history. Please don't use software that wad conceived for desktops with 2010 era mobile support. Developers aren't using GUI toolkits anymore like it's the 90's. Flutter, Electron, React Native, embedded layout engines that ease portability abd productivity. That's where things are at right now.

goodpoint 5y ago
> Developers aren't using GUI toolkits anymore like it's the 90's On the contrary, Gtk and libhandy have excellent usability on phones and make applications that can run seamlessly on phones and desktops. > Flutter, Electron, React Native I'm not touching any of these with a stick. There no justification for demanding to run a web browser when a native application would do.
- cookiengineer 5y ago
  > On the contrary, Gtk and libhandy have excellent usability Show me a single app that uses transitions and fading in/out sidebars, and has swipe gesture integrations. As long as this is not supported by concept (Gtk boxes will never allow this type of scene graph) I don't think Gtk can be called mobile-ready. Mobile screen space is very limited, and as long as Gtk is static as a scene graph by nature, you'll have to do thousands of hacks to "somehow" fake it. The gsettings app on phosh is a damn dirty hack of hacks. And with pure CSS, you would need literally less than 10 lines of layouting code. I'm not saying electron is better, but Gtk as a layouting concept is heavily outdated. If you don't think so: read the phosh codebase. You'll start to cry after an hour, how devs persist to make this somehow work due to beliefs that Gtk is made for this. It isn't.
kaba0 5y ago
Yeah I want to use inefficient frameworks on top of a 10 year old hardware that barely works with even GTK and QT..
swebs 5y ago
>Electron You're really overestimating the Pinephone's hardware. Firefox takes about 10 seconds to open.

goodpoint 5y ago

> Developers aren't using GUI toolkits anymore like it's the 90's On the contrary, Gtk and libhandy have excellent usability on phones and make applications that can run seamlessly on phones and desktops. > Flutter, Electron, React Native I'm not touching any of these with a stick. There no justification for demanding to run a web browser when a native application would do.

cookiengineer 5y ago
> On the contrary, Gtk and libhandy have excellent usability Show me a single app that uses transitions and fading in/out sidebars, and has swipe gesture integrations. As long as this is not supported by concept (Gtk boxes will never allow this type of scene graph) I don't think Gtk can be called mobile-ready. Mobile screen space is very limited, and as long as Gtk is static as a scene graph by nature, you'll have to do thousands of hacks to "somehow" fake it. The gsettings app on phosh is a damn dirty hack of hacks. And with pure CSS, you would need literally less than 10 lines of layouting code. I'm not saying electron is better, but Gtk as a layouting concept is heavily outdated. If you don't think so: read the phosh codebase. You'll start to cry after an hour, how devs persist to make this somehow work due to beliefs that Gtk is made for this. It isn't.

kaba0 5y ago

Yeah I want to use inefficient frameworks on top of a 10 year old hardware that barely works with even GTK and QT..

swebs 5y ago

>Electron You're really overestimating the Pinephone's hardware. Firefox takes about 10 seconds to open.