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It's a myth. There's no shortage of developers, programmers, etc. There's a shortage of willingness to pay for them. Want to attract and retain qualified devel

It's a myth. There's no shortage of developers, programmers, etc. There's a shortage of willingness to pay for them. Want to attract and retain qualified developers? Pay them. If you offer 5% salary increases when moving to your competitor means a 25% salary increase the developers will move. Can't afford it? Maybe you should cut those that suck off developers' teat.

frankbreetz 5y ago
Doesn't supply/demand directly affect salary? If there is a shortage you have to pay more for it. The fact that developer can make so much is because there is a shortage.
- notyourday 5y ago
  You are confusing the top pay in the SV with developer pay. Even in SV the cash pay is low and a bump is given in funny money that may or may not end up being there. Average developers are not making $250k/year cash + guaranteed bonus + bonus + options.
88840-8855 5y ago
I dont know. My company is paying devs 30-40% more than business people. Both had more or less the same 5 year education, both contribute in one way or another to the busines machine. And yet we have problems to find devs, there is a huge shortage. When I am looking at my friends and group them into devs and non-devs: devs make significantly more money, I am really jealous of that, because I am a business guy myself. In my eyes devs are overpaid: because there are not enough of them in the market they can be picky and choose. The more people study CS, the more supply will close this gap again. In the project that I am working in the business people and devs all contribute a lot of hard work and many hours to the success - why are the devs paid so much more?
- notyourday 5y ago
  > In the project that I am working in the business people and devs all contribute a lot of hard work and many hours to the success - why are the devs paid so much more? Because you clearly are struggling to hire developers at the prices you want to pay and you are not struggling to hire "business people" at the prices you want to pay. In either event you are paying developers shit. When an average junior developer starts getting paid what an average finance banker gets paid post school and in 10 years an average developer rising at the average rate in an org gets paid what an average person in finance who is rising at an average rate in finance org, then maybe there would be something to write about.

frankbreetz 5y ago

Doesn't supply/demand directly affect salary? If there is a shortage you have to pay more for it. The fact that developer can make so much is because there is a shortage.

notyourday 5y ago
You are confusing the top pay in the SV with developer pay. Even in SV the cash pay is low and a bump is given in funny money that may or may not end up being there. Average developers are not making $250k/year cash + guaranteed bonus + bonus + options.

88840-8855 5y ago

I dont know. My company is paying devs 30-40% more than business people. Both had more or less the same 5 year education, both contribute in one way or another to the busines machine. And yet we have problems to find devs, there is a huge shortage. When I am looking at my friends and group them into devs and non-devs: devs make significantly more money, I am really jealous of that, because I am a business guy myself. In my eyes devs are overpaid: because there are not enough of them in the market they can be picky and choose. The more people study CS, the more supply will close this gap again. In the project that I am working in the business people and devs all contribute a lot of hard work and many hours to the success - why are the devs paid so much more?

notyourday 5y ago
> In the project that I am working in the business people and devs all contribute a lot of hard work and many hours to the success - why are the devs paid so much more? Because you clearly are struggling to hire developers at the prices you want to pay and you are not struggling to hire "business people" at the prices you want to pay. In either event you are paying developers shit. When an average junior developer starts getting paid what an average finance banker gets paid post school and in 10 years an average developer rising at the average rate in an org gets paid what an average person in finance who is rising at an average rate in finance org, then maybe there would be something to write about.