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Environmental Policy (EPA). Family policy (gay marriage, transgenderism, etc via the Supreme Court). Healthcare (Obamacare). Education (no child left behind, th

Environmental Policy (EPA). Family policy (gay marriage, transgenderism, etc via the Supreme Court). Healthcare (Obamacare). Education (no child left behind, the dept of education). Higher education (federal backed guarantees). We can go on...

rackjack 5y ago
Nixon founded the EPA and George W. Bush established no child left behind...
- iammisc 5y ago
  I mean... duh. I'm just pointing out the general trend towards nationalizaton. It's not just a matter of democrats. Republicans do it all the time against their own values.
hobs 5y ago
This has been one of the least informed comments I have read recently - most of the things you are attributing to democrats are were actually republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Pr... President Richard Nixon proposed the establishment of EPA on July 9, 1970 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act#Legislative_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act#Legislativ... The ACA was championed by republicans until it became a political talking piece. The concept of an individual mandate goes back to at least 1989, when The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank, proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[121][122] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.[123][124][125] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act NCLB was totally a Bush thing. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on December 13, 2001 (voting 381–41),[8] and the United States Senate passed it on December 18, 2001 (voting 87–10).[9] President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  While a lot of that is true, it’s also pretty pointless to argue about what political labels people used decades ago as if that is relevant to the merits of political groups today with those same labels. Political parties and other such labels drift significantly over time. You might as well argue that the GOP is great because John Milton was a “republican.”
- iammisc 5y ago
  I'm not sure how to respond to this comment. The comment I responded to asked for examples of things the federal government nationalizes, with the support of democrats. You seem to believe that a policy being championed by a republican president means that it is somehow 'not democrat'. This is similar to how people make out Iraq to be a republican war even though in enjoyed broad bipartisan support. The facts you mentioned here are obvious. I didn't think they needed much spelling out for moderately educated Americans. If the question is 'do republicans nationalize things'? The answer is... yes. All national politicians do. I hate how we literally split everything, including bipartisan things up, into neat little democrat/republican boxes.
triceratops 5y ago
> Family policy (gay marriage, transgenderism, etc via the Supreme Court). If it's via the Supreme Court, can you really blame "Democrats"? The Supreme Court upheld gay marriage on the basis of equal rights to all. States can't pass laws that violate the US constitution.
- iammisc 5y ago
  You're not wrong, but the democrats championed gay marriage as well. I don't see how you can deny that.
omginternets 5y ago
Wasn't "No Child Left Behind" a Bush thing?

rackjack 5y ago

Nixon founded the EPA and George W. Bush established no child left behind...

iammisc 5y ago
I mean... duh. I'm just pointing out the general trend towards nationalizaton. It's not just a matter of democrats. Republicans do it all the time against their own values.

hobs 5y ago

This has been one of the least informed comments I have read recently - most of the things you are attributing to democrats are were actually republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Pr... President Richard Nixon proposed the establishment of EPA on July 9, 1970 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act#Legislative_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act#Legislativ... The ACA was championed by republicans until it became a political talking piece. The concept of an individual mandate goes back to at least 1989, when The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank, proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[121][122] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.[123][124][125] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act NCLB was totally a Bush thing. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on December 13, 2001 (voting 381–41),[8] and the United States Senate passed it on December 18, 2001 (voting 87–10).[9] President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002.

tshaddox 5y ago
While a lot of that is true, it’s also pretty pointless to argue about what political labels people used decades ago as if that is relevant to the merits of political groups today with those same labels. Political parties and other such labels drift significantly over time. You might as well argue that the GOP is great because John Milton was a “republican.”
iammisc 5y ago
I'm not sure how to respond to this comment. The comment I responded to asked for examples of things the federal government nationalizes, with the support of democrats. You seem to believe that a policy being championed by a republican president means that it is somehow 'not democrat'. This is similar to how people make out Iraq to be a republican war even though in enjoyed broad bipartisan support. The facts you mentioned here are obvious. I didn't think they needed much spelling out for moderately educated Americans. If the question is 'do republicans nationalize things'? The answer is... yes. All national politicians do. I hate how we literally split everything, including bipartisan things up, into neat little democrat/republican boxes.

triceratops 5y ago

> Family policy (gay marriage, transgenderism, etc via the Supreme Court). If it's via the Supreme Court, can you really blame "Democrats"? The Supreme Court upheld gay marriage on the basis of equal rights to all. States can't pass laws that violate the US constitution.

iammisc 5y ago
You're not wrong, but the democrats championed gay marriage as well. I don't see how you can deny that.

omginternets 5y ago

Wasn't "No Child Left Behind" a Bush thing?