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What even happened? The ship wasn't in Russian water, so Russia claiming to have fired on it would be admitting to a Crime(a).

gpm 5y ago
Russia asserts that the water it was in is Russian water, so Russia would not consider that to be admitting to a crime...
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- zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
  Russia's opinion on others' borders is relevant only to Russia. I think Moscow is part of my estate and that I'm entitled to take as much money as I can from any Russian national I encounter as compensation for Russia's illegal occupation of my house. I don't think that's a crime, so it's not a crime. Is that how this works?
  - gpm 5y ago
    No, under your hypothetical it's still a crime, but it's not admitting to a crime. You haven't pled guilty, you are still asserting a defence to the accusation (that you own Moscow).
  - groby_b 5y ago
    For governments, yes. Having that sweet legislative power is pretty nice. (Yes, there's an international court. It's not exactly having a lot of teeth)
  - WJW 5y ago
    If you had a sufficiently powerful military to back up your opinion on the ownership of Moscow, then that would indeed be how it works. International law does not have courts with the same amount of power as "normal" law. If countries are at odds the options are basically a sternly worded letter, economic sanctions or military action. And, of course, the target of such action can strike back in much the same ways. Understandably, not many countries are willing to enter hostilities with Russia.
    - zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
      Who on earth is Russia going to sanction that would actually experience a negative outcome from those sanctions? What is Vlad gonna do, form a coalition with Belarus and Iran to…inconvenience Europe?
      - WJW 5y ago
        Russia does not really need to sanction anyone at the moment, they already have Crimea under their control and no country with a strong enough military cares enough to take it away from them and give it back to the Ukraine.
Koshkin 5y ago
> HMS Defender was going to sail within the 12 mile Depends on the meaning of the word 'within', I guess...

gpm 5y ago

Russia asserts that the water it was in is Russian water, so Russia would not consider that to be admitting to a crime...

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zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
Russia's opinion on others' borders is relevant only to Russia. I think Moscow is part of my estate and that I'm entitled to take as much money as I can from any Russian national I encounter as compensation for Russia's illegal occupation of my house. I don't think that's a crime, so it's not a crime. Is that how this works?
- gpm 5y ago
  No, under your hypothetical it's still a crime, but it's not admitting to a crime. You haven't pled guilty, you are still asserting a defence to the accusation (that you own Moscow).
- groby_b 5y ago
  For governments, yes. Having that sweet legislative power is pretty nice. (Yes, there's an international court. It's not exactly having a lot of teeth)
- WJW 5y ago
  If you had a sufficiently powerful military to back up your opinion on the ownership of Moscow, then that would indeed be how it works. International law does not have courts with the same amount of power as "normal" law. If countries are at odds the options are basically a sternly worded letter, economic sanctions or military action. And, of course, the target of such action can strike back in much the same ways. Understandably, not many countries are willing to enter hostilities with Russia.
  - zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
    Who on earth is Russia going to sanction that would actually experience a negative outcome from those sanctions? What is Vlad gonna do, form a coalition with Belarus and Iran to…inconvenience Europe?
    - WJW 5y ago
      Russia does not really need to sanction anyone at the moment, they already have Crimea under their control and no country with a strong enough military cares enough to take it away from them and give it back to the Ukraine.

Koshkin 5y ago

> HMS Defender was going to sail within the 12 mile Depends on the meaning of the word 'within', I guess...