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So if someone sails a loaded warship within the line of sight of a foreign nation military base without their OK... They should just be cool? Asking for a frien

So if someone sails a loaded warship within the line of sight of a foreign nation military base without their OK... They should just be cool? Asking for a friend.

zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
In line of sight to whose military base? This ship was operating in Ukrainian waters off Ukrainian territory.
- kachurovskiy 5y ago
  Sevastopol Naval Base is Russian since 1783 if I understand correctly.
  - zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
    In Ukraine.
    - ben_bai 5y ago
      I don't want to play tit-for-tat but it's "in Ukraine" just like Guantanamo Bay is "in Cuba". So it's complicated and not explained with a naive "I just wanted to sail my warship through, gee why do u bully ME?"
      - Koshkin 5y ago
        To be fair, Guantanamo is indeed on the island of Cuba.
    - dnh44 5y ago
      Crimea de facto belongs to Russia now and that isn't going to change to no matter how many warships cruise past it. Realistically it's difficult to imagine any scenario where Crimea ends up belonging to Ukraine again. Now that Biden has waived the sanctions against the Nordstream 2 project, Ukraine will lose it's strategic importance as a gas transit country. At the same time Russia's importance as an energy supplier to Europe will increase. It won't be much longer before no one cares about Ukraine or Crimea anymore.
      - zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
        No. Crimea does not belong to Russia. That’s nonsense.
        dnh44 5y ago
        Yes, Crimea does indeed de facto belong to Russia, although de jure it is recognised by most countries as belonging to Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_jure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_jure
        zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
        I’ll leave the semantic arguments to the Latin majors. Russia may see some legitimacy to its claim to Crimean territory, but it’s a self-asserted claim and it should be treated with as much respect as any other self-asserted claim. Again, I assert that I am mayor of Moscow.
        dnh44 5y ago
        I’m not talking about semantics nor about the international legality of it. The difference between your assertion and this situation Is that in addition to asserting that Crimea is now a part of Russia they also control and govern it. I don’t think there is a lot anyone can do about that. I don’t think that’s a contentious claim to make, it’s simply just the reality of it. What will be more interesting will be to see how far Western/NATO countries will go to change that reality and how far Russia will go to prevent that.
        sergeykish 5y ago
        It is called "occupied". Yet Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
  - sergeykish 5y ago
    Crimea occupied by Russian Federation. Sevastopol naval base due date is 28 May 2017.
me_me_me 5y ago
how do you know that they are not having difficulties? Catastrophic engine and steering failure? You should fail them on the open radio channel, maybe via airhorns/flags/Morse etc. Warning shots after that? All that said, it seems that russians did all of that and its nothing but brits flexing and doing political dance > Russia claims the illegally-annexed peninsula and its waters are its territory, but Britain says its ship was passing through Ukrainian waters. They even put a journalist on the deck
gpm 5y ago
I mean, yes. You don't get to claim territory around your military bases in foreign countries, that's just not how that works. If country A doesn't like country B sailing near their military bases in country C, they need to ask country C to stop it... Since Country C is Ukraine... good luck?
CodeGlitch 5y ago
The Russians sailed [0] past the white cliffs of Dover not too long ago. It did suffer severe mechanical faults however... [0] https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a36178827/russia-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-return/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a361788...

So if someone sails a loaded warship within the line of sight of a foreign nation military base without their OK... They should just be cool? Asking for a friend.

zero_deg_kevin 5y ago

In line of sight to whose military base? This ship was operating in Ukrainian waters off Ukrainian territory.

kachurovskiy 5y ago
Sevastopol Naval Base is Russian since 1783 if I understand correctly.
- zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
  In Ukraine.
  - ben_bai 5y ago
    I don't want to play tit-for-tat but it's "in Ukraine" just like Guantanamo Bay is "in Cuba". So it's complicated and not explained with a naive "I just wanted to sail my warship through, gee why do u bully ME?"
    - Koshkin 5y ago
      To be fair, Guantanamo is indeed on the island of Cuba.
  - dnh44 5y ago
    Crimea de facto belongs to Russia now and that isn't going to change to no matter how many warships cruise past it. Realistically it's difficult to imagine any scenario where Crimea ends up belonging to Ukraine again. Now that Biden has waived the sanctions against the Nordstream 2 project, Ukraine will lose it's strategic importance as a gas transit country. At the same time Russia's importance as an energy supplier to Europe will increase. It won't be much longer before no one cares about Ukraine or Crimea anymore.
    - zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
      No. Crimea does not belong to Russia. That’s nonsense.
      - dnh44 5y ago
        Yes, Crimea does indeed de facto belong to Russia, although de jure it is recognised by most countries as belonging to Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_jure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_jure
        zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
        I’ll leave the semantic arguments to the Latin majors. Russia may see some legitimacy to its claim to Crimean territory, but it’s a self-asserted claim and it should be treated with as much respect as any other self-asserted claim. Again, I assert that I am mayor of Moscow.
        dnh44 5y ago
        I’m not talking about semantics nor about the international legality of it. The difference between your assertion and this situation Is that in addition to asserting that Crimea is now a part of Russia they also control and govern it. I don’t think there is a lot anyone can do about that. I don’t think that’s a contentious claim to make, it’s simply just the reality of it. What will be more interesting will be to see how far Western/NATO countries will go to change that reality and how far Russia will go to prevent that.
        sergeykish 5y ago
        It is called "occupied". Yet Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
- sergeykish 5y ago
  Crimea occupied by Russian Federation. Sevastopol naval base due date is 28 May 2017.

me_me_me 5y ago

how do you know that they are not having difficulties? Catastrophic engine and steering failure? You should fail them on the open radio channel, maybe via airhorns/flags/Morse etc. Warning shots after that? All that said, it seems that russians did all of that and its nothing but brits flexing and doing political dance > Russia claims the illegally-annexed peninsula and its waters are its territory, but Britain says its ship was passing through Ukrainian waters. They even put a journalist on the deck

gpm 5y ago

I mean, yes. You don't get to claim territory around your military bases in foreign countries, that's just not how that works. If country A doesn't like country B sailing near their military bases in country C, they need to ask country C to stop it... Since Country C is Ukraine... good luck?

CodeGlitch 5y ago

The Russians sailed [0] past the white cliffs of Dover not too long ago. It did suffer severe mechanical faults however... [0] https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a36178827/russia-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-return/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a361788...