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While true for the US, this is Sweden. Swedes don't expect men to pay for dates, don't expect men to be the primary breadwinner, and there is no such thing as m

While true for the US, this is Sweden. Swedes don't expect men to pay for dates, don't expect men to be the primary breadwinner, and there is no such thing as marriage annulment, while divorces can be without fault. https://everythingsweden.com/dating-in-sweden/ https://everythingsweden.com/dating-in-sweden/ - "Coming from the UK, it’s very common that if you take someone to a restaurant, the guy pays for the meal. If the opportunity is there then great, but don’t be offended if your date demands to split the bill 50/50. Sweden is very serious about being gender neutral and this is a good example." https://www.government.se/4a7738/contentassets/efcc5a15ef154522a872d8e46ad69148/gender-equality-policy-in-sweden https://www.government.se/4a7738/contentassets/efcc5a15ef154... - "Women and men must have the same opportunities for economic independence. In Sweden, some of the most important reforms concerning gender equality took place in the labour market and in social policy in the 1970s. These reforms pushed gender equality and increased women’s prospects to have the same opportunities as men to enter the labour market, and to remain and develop there." including "Separate income taxation for wife and husband", "Development of public child care", and "First country to introduce gender-neutral paid parental leave benefit". And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden#Grounds_for_divorce_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden#Grounds_... - "One critical feature that marks Swedish divorce laws is the complete absence of any fault requirement when establishing a case for divorce. Fault is entirely irrelevant and has no legal consequences on the results of the proceedings ... under the Swedish laws, there is no preliminary requirement of a separation period before a divorce case can be established." And https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_divorce-45-se-maximizeMS_EJN-en.do https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_divorce-45-se-maximizeMS... - "There are no rules governing marriage annulment in Swedish law."

DoreenMichele 5y ago
Thank you for that. But they have a ways to go to achieve actual equality: In 2019, female workers in Sweden earned on average 25,500 Swedish kronor on a monthly basis, while the average salary for men was in the same class was 29,500 Swedish kronor per month. https://www.statista.com/statistics/740048/monthly-salary-in-sweden-by-gender-and-class/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/740048/monthly-salary-in...
- eesmith 5y ago
  Certainly. But does wage inequality cause people to "vilify sex work and torture sex workers"? I doubt it, as I see that the gender wage inequality in The Netherlands is much higher (https://www.statista.com/statistics/537993/average-monthly-wage-in-the-netherlands-by-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/537993/average-monthly-w... ) and yet the Netherlands has legalized sex work.
  - DoreenMichele 5y ago
    does wage inequality cause people to "vilify sex work and torture sex workers"? No, of course not. That's not what I'm suggesting. When I was homeless, men repeatedly offered me money for sex or offered me a place to stay. Meanwhile, I was repeatedly told on HN that my desire to support myself with my writing was ludicrous, that writing dies not pay and I shouldn't expect it to. And when I say my gender is a barrier to effective networking and a factor in my intractable poverty, I am routinely mocked and dismissed. I am seriously handicapped, which limits the kind of work I can do. I don't qualify for disability. I don't need a helluva lot of money. I still can't get what I need. All I get is BS personal attacks, dismissals and contempt. It's very, very clear in my mind that men are willing to pay me for sex or marry me but far too few people are willing to pay me for other kinds of work and the networking that helps men make money via business is something I'm mostly cut off from. And it's a tiresome situation because I'm given nothing but crap for trying to solve my problems no matter what I do. I've been here nearly twelve years. Plenty of men make good money via HN. I don't, though my past front page post had over 15k page views and people thanked me for writing it. But it made not one thing dime. And if you don't want to support my blog writing, I also do resume work and get too little business that way as well.
    - epicureanideal 5y ago
      > It's very, very clear in my mind that men are willing to pay me for sex or marry me but far too few people are willing to pay me for other kinds of work and the networking that helps men make money via business is something I'm mostly cut off from. What kind of networking is being recommended? I'd like to know so I can do more of it.

DoreenMichele 5y ago

Thank you for that. But they have a ways to go to achieve actual equality: In 2019, female workers in Sweden earned on average 25,500 Swedish kronor on a monthly basis, while the average salary for men was in the same class was 29,500 Swedish kronor per month. https://www.statista.com/statistics/740048/monthly-salary-in-sweden-by-gender-and-class/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/740048/monthly-salary-in...

eesmith 5y ago
Certainly. But does wage inequality cause people to "vilify sex work and torture sex workers"? I doubt it, as I see that the gender wage inequality in The Netherlands is much higher (https://www.statista.com/statistics/537993/average-monthly-wage-in-the-netherlands-by-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/537993/average-monthly-w... ) and yet the Netherlands has legalized sex work.
- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  does wage inequality cause people to "vilify sex work and torture sex workers"? No, of course not. That's not what I'm suggesting. When I was homeless, men repeatedly offered me money for sex or offered me a place to stay. Meanwhile, I was repeatedly told on HN that my desire to support myself with my writing was ludicrous, that writing dies not pay and I shouldn't expect it to. And when I say my gender is a barrier to effective networking and a factor in my intractable poverty, I am routinely mocked and dismissed. I am seriously handicapped, which limits the kind of work I can do. I don't qualify for disability. I don't need a helluva lot of money. I still can't get what I need. All I get is BS personal attacks, dismissals and contempt. It's very, very clear in my mind that men are willing to pay me for sex or marry me but far too few people are willing to pay me for other kinds of work and the networking that helps men make money via business is something I'm mostly cut off from. And it's a tiresome situation because I'm given nothing but crap for trying to solve my problems no matter what I do. I've been here nearly twelve years. Plenty of men make good money via HN. I don't, though my past front page post had over 15k page views and people thanked me for writing it. But it made not one thing dime. And if you don't want to support my blog writing, I also do resume work and get too little business that way as well.
  - epicureanideal 5y ago
    > It's very, very clear in my mind that men are willing to pay me for sex or marry me but far too few people are willing to pay me for other kinds of work and the networking that helps men make money via business is something I'm mostly cut off from. What kind of networking is being recommended? I'd like to know so I can do more of it.