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So? What would be the downside of trans women dominating womens' sports, if that were even the eventuality?

llimos 5y ago
The downside is that the whole point of having women's sports was to give women a chance to win, which they would usually be unable to. What you are suggesting will again put biological women in the position where they cannot win. So you have defeated the whole purpose.
- ivanbakel 5y ago
  >What you are suggesting will again put biological women in the position where they cannot win. We should remember that most cis women cannot compete at an Olympic level anyways. That's the point I'm trying to make in this thread - physical outliers are already responsible for lots of non-competitions at the top level of many sports. Every athlete with a physical advantage precludes some other athlete from the top of the competition. If the "point" of womens' leagues is to provide a level playing field for cis women, then maybe we should be more open to introducing level playing fields more generally - because there are large parts of the population that cannot win in the system we already have, either. Otherwise, the "point" of womens' leagues is just to provide a space for women to compete, and trans women should be allowed in those spaces.
  - unrealhoang 5y ago
    Because what you are suggesting will not only affect the top level, every single other level below will face the exact same situation. Genetically normal with determination female are still winning and trying at championship, scholarship, etc.. Let crush that because they are genetically inferior from a mediocre biological male right? The point of male/female separation is to protect biological female from the genetic advantages of biological male, not from genetic outliers.
  - llimos 5y ago
    > the "point" of womens' leagues is just to provide a space for women to compete, and trans women should be allowed in those spaces. This is patently false. In sports such as archery (which is an Olympic sport), where strength does not provide an advantage, men and women do compete together. So it's clearly not about providing a "space" for women to compete. And in weightlifting, the subject at hand, all competitors are on their own, they might never be in the same room as each other. So again, what is this "space for women to compete"? It's clearly about the physical advantages of the sex, and I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
orestarod 5y ago
Does one have to undergo surgery and hormonal therapy to be a trans woman? Can one change their mind about whether they are a man or a woman whenever they want? Which is the third party who should have the right to judge if you are a man or a woman? Can a male self identify as a female when they wish and enter a women competition?
CRConrad 5y ago
> So? What would be the downside of trans women dominating womens' sports, if that were even the eventuality? That non-trans women have no fucking chance of being champions in pretty much any sports at all anymore, obviously. You're bending over backwards to be "fair" to a tiny minority, and not giving a shit that in order to do that you're being as utterly unfair as one could possibly be to half of humanity. The much eaasier solution, if you want people born as males to hold all the records, is to just simply abolish womens' sports altogether. Honestly, this question is so horrendously disingenious that I'm shocked you even had the gall to ask it.

The downside is that the whole point of having women's sports was to give women a chance to win, which they would usually be unable to. What you are suggesting will again put biological women in the position where they cannot win. So you have defeated the whole purpose.

ivanbakel 5y ago
>What you are suggesting will again put biological women in the position where they cannot win. We should remember that most cis women cannot compete at an Olympic level anyways. That's the point I'm trying to make in this thread - physical outliers are already responsible for lots of non-competitions at the top level of many sports. Every athlete with a physical advantage precludes some other athlete from the top of the competition. If the "point" of womens' leagues is to provide a level playing field for cis women, then maybe we should be more open to introducing level playing fields more generally - because there are large parts of the population that cannot win in the system we already have, either. Otherwise, the "point" of womens' leagues is just to provide a space for women to compete, and trans women should be allowed in those spaces.
- unrealhoang 5y ago
  Because what you are suggesting will not only affect the top level, every single other level below will face the exact same situation. Genetically normal with determination female are still winning and trying at championship, scholarship, etc.. Let crush that because they are genetically inferior from a mediocre biological male right? The point of male/female separation is to protect biological female from the genetic advantages of biological male, not from genetic outliers.
- llimos 5y ago
  > the "point" of womens' leagues is just to provide a space for women to compete, and trans women should be allowed in those spaces. This is patently false. In sports such as archery (which is an Olympic sport), where strength does not provide an advantage, men and women do compete together. So it's clearly not about providing a "space" for women to compete. And in weightlifting, the subject at hand, all competitors are on their own, they might never be in the same room as each other. So again, what is this "space for women to compete"? It's clearly about the physical advantages of the sex, and I can't believe we're even having this discussion.

orestarod 5y ago

Does one have to undergo surgery and hormonal therapy to be a trans woman? Can one change their mind about whether they are a man or a woman whenever they want? Which is the third party who should have the right to judge if you are a man or a woman? Can a male self identify as a female when they wish and enter a women competition?

CRConrad 5y ago

> So? What would be the downside of trans women dominating womens' sports, if that were even the eventuality? That non-trans women have no fucking chance of being champions in pretty much any sports at all anymore, obviously. You're bending over backwards to be "fair" to a tiny minority, and not giving a shit that in order to do that you're being as utterly unfair as one could possibly be to half of humanity. The much eaasier solution, if you want people born as males to hold all the records, is to just simply abolish womens' sports altogether. Honestly, this question is so horrendously disingenious that I'm shocked you even had the gall to ask it.