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Prostitutes are paid a lot since the number of men who are interested in casual sex is a lot more than the number of women. Then the pay goes up so much that ma

Prostitutes are paid a lot since the number of men who are interested in casual sex is a lot more than the number of women. Then the pay goes up so much that many women who aren't originally interested in casual sex also starts to engage in it, just because men value it so much. So one way to reduce the number of "victims" would be to put a max cap on how much you are allowed to pay prostitutes, that way women wouldn't do it as an easy way to earn money. Because paying women too much for sex hurts them apparently.

klyrs 5y ago
> Prostitutes are paid a lot That's not a fair generalization. Most sex workers remain in poverty, and it's extremely risky work -- for all that men's rights activists like to talk about men having the most dangerous jobs, their statistics are drawn from a perspective that sex work isn't a "job" -- so the actual #1 most dangerous job, mostly done by women, is overlooked. Even in places like Canada were the work is decriminilized and clients are criminalized, sex workers rarely go to the police after being attacked or raped because the common response is that the worker "asked for it." Sex workers are freelancers: they don't get insurance or other benefits, so they need to charge a higher rate up-front. Rather than limit the amount that sex workers get paid, it would be better to legalize it and treat it like any other job. Forced labor (pimps and sex trafficking) is already illegal; those laws just need enforcement, which will be easier with the transparency of legal employment. Also, individual workers and brothels can get insurance, medical and otherwise, hire security, etc. to improve the safety of workers. Let the free market sort out the price.
- username90 5y ago
  If they weren't paid a lot you wouldn't have a problem since these women would just go and work at McDonalds instead to earn their money. And if they remain in poverty even when being paid a lot they either work very few hours or they spend it on luxury goods like clothes or trips. Edit: Anyway, the argument isn't that prostitutes are victims because there is a lot of violence related to the profession. The argument is usually that it is inhumane to subject a woman to involuntary sex, so women accepting money to have sex they otherwise wouldn't is seen as a bad thing for the woman even under perfect conditions. That is the main argument why sex work should be illegal, everything else can be fixed but that can't ever be fixed no matter how much you improve surroundings. I don't agree with that view, but that is what you are up against.
  - thatguy0900 5y ago
    Well, in fairness, the few prostitues I've seen downtown where I live all seem to be meth addicts or crackheads, not super employable. I would assume your high end super desirable escorts make far more money and are subject to far less danger
    - username90 5y ago
      Sounds like the problem here is drug addiction and not prostitution.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  >That's not a fair generalization. You're nitpicking. You know they meant "a lot relative to the qualifications and difficulty of the job" If something is illegal and people still do it to make a living you can be pretty much assured it's better than all the legal menial labor options.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    > You're nitpicking. You know they meant "a lot relative to the qualifications and difficulty of the job" No I'm not, and yes I know that, and I addressed it, but I'll spell it out some more. Just about everybody is qualified to collect garbage, too. Garbage collection is physically risky and also disgusting and stigmatized. Like sex work, pay should compensate for those factors. Just because some people also voluntarily pick garbage in parks doesn't mean that garbage collection should be free. The fact that sex work is illegal introduces additional risk to the workers, which, again, should increase its price. But, statistically, the highly paid sex workers are very uncommon. And that's not nitpicking; it's observing that OC is cherrypicking. And anybody who thinks "sex is fun" and that comparing sex work to garbage collection is unfair has probably never done sex work nor had a serious conversation with somebody who has.
  - watwut 5y ago
    It is not nitpick. Prostitutes earn less then pretty much anyone on this forum. It does not pay as much as people assume. And it has considerable risks, partially because they cant legally hire security.
- philwelch 5y ago
  > for all that men's rights activists like to talk about men having the most dangerous jobs, their statistics are drawn from a perspective that sex work isn't a "job" -- so the actual #1 most dangerous job, mostly done by women, is overlooked By that token you'd also have to count "gangster" as a job, which is probably also pretty dangerous. Furthermore, the entire notion that sex work is dangerous for women is exactly the reason it's widely prohibited in the first place.
  - whitexn--g28h 5y ago
    If the issue is that it’s dangerous for women, then why do the lawmakers write laws that make sex work even more dangerous. It’s hypocritical nonsense pushed by religious groups.

klyrs 5y ago

> Prostitutes are paid a lot That's not a fair generalization. Most sex workers remain in poverty, and it's extremely risky work -- for all that men's rights activists like to talk about men having the most dangerous jobs, their statistics are drawn from a perspective that sex work isn't a "job" -- so the actual #1 most dangerous job, mostly done by women, is overlooked. Even in places like Canada were the work is decriminilized and clients are criminalized, sex workers rarely go to the police after being attacked or raped because the common response is that the worker "asked for it." Sex workers are freelancers: they don't get insurance or other benefits, so they need to charge a higher rate up-front. Rather than limit the amount that sex workers get paid, it would be better to legalize it and treat it like any other job. Forced labor (pimps and sex trafficking) is already illegal; those laws just need enforcement, which will be easier with the transparency of legal employment. Also, individual workers and brothels can get insurance, medical and otherwise, hire security, etc. to improve the safety of workers. Let the free market sort out the price.

username90 5y ago
If they weren't paid a lot you wouldn't have a problem since these women would just go and work at McDonalds instead to earn their money. And if they remain in poverty even when being paid a lot they either work very few hours or they spend it on luxury goods like clothes or trips. Edit: Anyway, the argument isn't that prostitutes are victims because there is a lot of violence related to the profession. The argument is usually that it is inhumane to subject a woman to involuntary sex, so women accepting money to have sex they otherwise wouldn't is seen as a bad thing for the woman even under perfect conditions. That is the main argument why sex work should be illegal, everything else can be fixed but that can't ever be fixed no matter how much you improve surroundings. I don't agree with that view, but that is what you are up against.
- thatguy0900 5y ago
  Well, in fairness, the few prostitues I've seen downtown where I live all seem to be meth addicts or crackheads, not super employable. I would assume your high end super desirable escorts make far more money and are subject to far less danger
  - username90 5y ago
    Sounds like the problem here is drug addiction and not prostitution.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>That's not a fair generalization. You're nitpicking. You know they meant "a lot relative to the qualifications and difficulty of the job" If something is illegal and people still do it to make a living you can be pretty much assured it's better than all the legal menial labor options.
- klyrs 5y ago
  > You're nitpicking. You know they meant "a lot relative to the qualifications and difficulty of the job" No I'm not, and yes I know that, and I addressed it, but I'll spell it out some more. Just about everybody is qualified to collect garbage, too. Garbage collection is physically risky and also disgusting and stigmatized. Like sex work, pay should compensate for those factors. Just because some people also voluntarily pick garbage in parks doesn't mean that garbage collection should be free. The fact that sex work is illegal introduces additional risk to the workers, which, again, should increase its price. But, statistically, the highly paid sex workers are very uncommon. And that's not nitpicking; it's observing that OC is cherrypicking. And anybody who thinks "sex is fun" and that comparing sex work to garbage collection is unfair has probably never done sex work nor had a serious conversation with somebody who has.
- watwut 5y ago
  It is not nitpick. Prostitutes earn less then pretty much anyone on this forum. It does not pay as much as people assume. And it has considerable risks, partially because they cant legally hire security.
philwelch 5y ago
> for all that men's rights activists like to talk about men having the most dangerous jobs, their statistics are drawn from a perspective that sex work isn't a "job" -- so the actual #1 most dangerous job, mostly done by women, is overlooked By that token you'd also have to count "gangster" as a job, which is probably also pretty dangerous. Furthermore, the entire notion that sex work is dangerous for women is exactly the reason it's widely prohibited in the first place.
- whitexn--g28h 5y ago
  If the issue is that it’s dangerous for women, then why do the lawmakers write laws that make sex work even more dangerous. It’s hypocritical nonsense pushed by religious groups.