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Since I am not a libertarian and I think that the state should have some control over their citizens I can understand why the state objects prostitution under t

Since I am not a libertarian and I think that the state should have some control over their citizens I can understand why the state objects prostitution under the assumption that most (or many) sex works don't (or wouldn't) choose this lifestyle voluntarily. It gets chosen because women have too few opportunities to make similar amounts of money any other way. Not giving women the right to sell sexual services condemns them to having no means to adequately support themselves. It doesn't protect them from anything at all. Think about why this conversation is always about women selling sex. Why is that? Why are sex workers almost universally female or assumed to be while their clients are almost universally male? That's the real issue here and it doesn't get fixed by criminalizing sex work.

2rsf 5y ago
actually Sweden has a decent job equality, I have seen women doing work that is considered men's work elsewhere- we are talking low level, unskilled work here not computer science
- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  Then I imagine it doesn't pay as much as prostitution. So it's not really a rebuttal to my point.
  - 2rsf 5y ago
    I don't know how much prostitutes earn in Sweden but low skilled employees earn a very decent salary that includes pension, the state covers health and education. You can actually have a decent life by being a McDonald's worker ( obviously there are exceptions)
    - DoreenMichele 5y ago
      Look, I don't understand why you are arguing in this way. This is not a rebuttal to my point. Whatever else is going on in Sweden, prostitution exists there as well and criminalizing it is not stamping it out and is not a means to address the concern some people have that "Women who become prostitutes without being trafficked do so because they are desperately poor, so they still aren't truly there voluntarily." I'm not saying that "Good paying jobs will stamp out prostitution." I have no goal of stamping out prostitution. I'm saying that criminalizing prostitution gives desperately poor women no remedy for the poverty that forces some of them into prostitution. It just closes another door and makes their life harder, not better.
      - 2rsf 5y ago
        Just a healthy discussion, no arguing The swedish answer is simple- because they don't see prostitution as legitimate, criminalization or not
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        That also doesn't address my point.

2rsf 5y ago

actually Sweden has a decent job equality, I have seen women doing work that is considered men's work elsewhere- we are talking low level, unskilled work here not computer science

DoreenMichele 5y ago
Then I imagine it doesn't pay as much as prostitution. So it's not really a rebuttal to my point.
- 2rsf 5y ago
  I don't know how much prostitutes earn in Sweden but low skilled employees earn a very decent salary that includes pension, the state covers health and education. You can actually have a decent life by being a McDonald's worker ( obviously there are exceptions)
  - DoreenMichele 5y ago
    Look, I don't understand why you are arguing in this way. This is not a rebuttal to my point. Whatever else is going on in Sweden, prostitution exists there as well and criminalizing it is not stamping it out and is not a means to address the concern some people have that "Women who become prostitutes without being trafficked do so because they are desperately poor, so they still aren't truly there voluntarily." I'm not saying that "Good paying jobs will stamp out prostitution." I have no goal of stamping out prostitution. I'm saying that criminalizing prostitution gives desperately poor women no remedy for the poverty that forces some of them into prostitution. It just closes another door and makes their life harder, not better.
    - 2rsf 5y ago
      Just a healthy discussion, no arguing The swedish answer is simple- because they don't see prostitution as legitimate, criminalization or not
      - DoreenMichele 5y ago
        That also doesn't address my point.