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What an unnecessarily trite comment. Have you any comment on the actual article or the arguments contained within?

mimixco 5y ago
Sure. They're ridiculous. You cannot call the absence of the choice to sideload an application "a choice." By the same token, it makes no sense to call having the choice to sideload an application an example of "eliminating choice." Apple is very good at spinning their walled garden as a user benefit. In some cases, it is. Here, it isn't.
- makerofthings 5y ago
  Right now, people have the choice to use a system without sideloading or one with sideloading (Android or presumably something like a pinephone). Forcing iOS to be open to sideloading or other AppStores would remove choice. I chose to use iOS as is because it’s locked down and that’s what I want. Opening the platform would remove that choice. I consider the lack of sideloading to be an advantage of iOS and I pay a premium for it.
  - RealStickman_ 5y ago
    Why would sideloading be a disadvantage? Just don't enable it if you don't need it. If an app wants to sideload something you get directed to the settings where you have to enable it, so it's not like apps can just install themselves.
    - makerofthings 5y ago
      Apps that I need or like would stop developing for the main store and start demanding people sideload or install another App Store and I would inevitably have to follow along and put my credit card into multiple stores. I don’t have any bargaining power to prevent this, apple do. Of course I could not sideload apps, but I expect that I would lose access to some games and services that I use. There is all downside for me.
      - mthoms 5y ago
        >Apps that I need or like would stop developing for the main store and start demanding people sideload or install another App Store Genuinely curious as I have no idea: Has this happened on Android? What are some examples?
        makerofthings 5y ago
        A quick search for sideload-only android apps turns up plenty examples, but I think Android is less restrictive in what it lets you do so I’m not sure the two can be compared that easily. For sure, we’d be getting an Epic store. Either way, sounds like a bad plan to me. Maybe people who think sideloading is an important feature should buy one of the many Android or Linux phones?
        mthoms 5y ago
        Oh I'm sure there are. The claim was that some apps the commenter currently uses will switch from only being available in the App Store to being sideload-only. I'm just trying to find cases of that happening for any notable apps on Android. I'm not convinced either way about sideloading - I just hear this claim touted a lot around HN. I'm trying to determine if it's FUD by examining the evidence. Do you have any examples that fit this criteria?
        makerofthings 5y ago
        Sounds very much like you have a point to make rather than any desire to examine the evidence (which you could easily find yourself if that was what you cared about). If you google this, as I just did, there are examples of what you're asking for.
        mthoms 5y ago
        What a bizarre comment. A claim was made and I asked for supporting evidence. That's literally how civilized debate works. It's not my job to support your argument. Also, I want to hear from Android enthusiasts. I've never owned an Android phone and wouldn't know a notable/popular app on the platform unless it was also popular on iOS. I doubt there are any apps that are in the Apple App Store but are sideload-only on Android. That just doesn't make sense. Now, do you have any examples of notable Apps abandoning the Play Store and going sideload-only, or not? If you don't want to debate, that's fine too.
    - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
      One simple example from the article is that sideloading would increase the security attack surface for iOS users.
9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
Per site guidelines, please don’t feed the trolls: flag or downvote and move along.

Sure. They're ridiculous. You cannot call the absence of the choice to sideload an application "a choice." By the same token, it makes no sense to call having the choice to sideload an application an example of "eliminating choice." Apple is very good at spinning their walled garden as a user benefit. In some cases, it is. Here, it isn't.

makerofthings 5y ago
Right now, people have the choice to use a system without sideloading or one with sideloading (Android or presumably something like a pinephone). Forcing iOS to be open to sideloading or other AppStores would remove choice. I chose to use iOS as is because it’s locked down and that’s what I want. Opening the platform would remove that choice. I consider the lack of sideloading to be an advantage of iOS and I pay a premium for it.
- RealStickman_ 5y ago
  Why would sideloading be a disadvantage? Just don't enable it if you don't need it. If an app wants to sideload something you get directed to the settings where you have to enable it, so it's not like apps can just install themselves.
  - makerofthings 5y ago
    Apps that I need or like would stop developing for the main store and start demanding people sideload or install another App Store and I would inevitably have to follow along and put my credit card into multiple stores. I don’t have any bargaining power to prevent this, apple do. Of course I could not sideload apps, but I expect that I would lose access to some games and services that I use. There is all downside for me.
    - mthoms 5y ago
      >Apps that I need or like would stop developing for the main store and start demanding people sideload or install another App Store Genuinely curious as I have no idea: Has this happened on Android? What are some examples?
      - makerofthings 5y ago
        A quick search for sideload-only android apps turns up plenty examples, but I think Android is less restrictive in what it lets you do so I’m not sure the two can be compared that easily. For sure, we’d be getting an Epic store. Either way, sounds like a bad plan to me. Maybe people who think sideloading is an important feature should buy one of the many Android or Linux phones?
        mthoms 5y ago
        Oh I'm sure there are. The claim was that some apps the commenter currently uses will switch from only being available in the App Store to being sideload-only. I'm just trying to find cases of that happening for any notable apps on Android. I'm not convinced either way about sideloading - I just hear this claim touted a lot around HN. I'm trying to determine if it's FUD by examining the evidence. Do you have any examples that fit this criteria?
        makerofthings 5y ago
        Sounds very much like you have a point to make rather than any desire to examine the evidence (which you could easily find yourself if that was what you cared about). If you google this, as I just did, there are examples of what you're asking for.
        mthoms 5y ago
        What a bizarre comment. A claim was made and I asked for supporting evidence. That's literally how civilized debate works. It's not my job to support your argument. Also, I want to hear from Android enthusiasts. I've never owned an Android phone and wouldn't know a notable/popular app on the platform unless it was also popular on iOS. I doubt there are any apps that are in the Apple App Store but are sideload-only on Android. That just doesn't make sense. Now, do you have any examples of notable Apps abandoning the Play Store and going sideload-only, or not? If you don't want to debate, that's fine too.
  - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
    One simple example from the article is that sideloading would increase the security attack surface for iOS users.

9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago

Per site guidelines, please don’t feed the trolls: flag or downvote and move along.