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I don't want to fragment, I want these people to be recognized as what they identify; women. Even if they don't have the right chromosomes, there is atleast a d

by zaarn 5y ago

I don't want to fragment, I want these people to be recognized as what they identify; women. Even if they don't have the right chromosomes, there is atleast a dozen reasons someone might still have grown up as female or identifies female.

stnmtn 5y ago
I fully believe trans women are women, but I'm genuinely curious as to what the feminist response to stuff like these competitions should be when it's clear that trans women have a distinct and irrerperable advantage over biological women. What potential problems would there be from having a biological women competition, and a trans women competition? Genuinely curious as to your answer and I am asking this in good faith
- zaarn 5y ago
  And what is the response that people who undergo female hormone treatments will have a distinct disadvantage over men who've not done that? Should they have to continue in a field they have this disadvantage in?
alentist 5y ago
Do you feel the same way about race?
- zaarn 5y ago
  What does this have to do with race?
  - alentist 5y ago
    > I want these people to be recognized as what they identify; women. Even if they don't have the right chromosomes, there is atleast a dozen reasons someone might still have grown up as female or identifies female. Replace gender with race. Do you feel the same way about race?
    - zaarn 5y ago
      Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess. And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't, it's a melatin level in the skin. The issues about race have less to do with the issues about transgender people, and more with their struggles faced by fault of modern society, in addition to the struggles one would face as transgender and/or female, which can intersect quite badly. I'm honestly astounded that HN apparently doesn't have any idea about intersectional discourse in the slightest, should be pretty obvious stuff.
      - alentist 5y ago
        > Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess. Is that sarcasm? Do you know what chromosomes are? > And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't By simply claiming they do. Is that not the criterion you're using for gender? "I don't see how someone would identify as female if they aren't."
        zaarn 5y ago
        >By simply claiming they do. Is that not the criterion you're using for gender? And you still fail to see the difference between gender and sex and how that is different from culture and skin color. Congratulations. >Is that sarcasm? Do you know what chromosomes are? I didn't skip Biology 101.
        alentist 5y ago
        So your position is that a person is female simply by virtue of claiming that they "identify as" female. Is a person black simply by virtue of claiming that they "identify as" black? > I didn't skip Biology 101. Looks like you did. Chromosomes carry the genome.
        zaarn 5y ago
        I am aware Chromosomes carry the genome, but leading the question is not quite fair as well. Since sex and gender were topics, it was well evident that I was talking about Chromosomal differences between humans, NOT gene-level differences. It looks like you skipped out on Biology 101, otherwise the difference would be clear in context and upon my elaboration. Good day.

by zaarn 5y ago

stnmtn 5y ago

I fully believe trans women are women, but I'm genuinely curious as to what the feminist response to stuff like these competitions should be when it's clear that trans women have a distinct and irrerperable advantage over biological women. What potential problems would there be from having a biological women competition, and a trans women competition? Genuinely curious as to your answer and I am asking this in good faith

zaarn 5y ago
And what is the response that people who undergo female hormone treatments will have a distinct disadvantage over men who've not done that? Should they have to continue in a field they have this disadvantage in?

alentist 5y ago

Do you feel the same way about race?

zaarn 5y ago
What does this have to do with race?
- alentist 5y ago
  > I want these people to be recognized as what they identify; women. Even if they don't have the right chromosomes, there is atleast a dozen reasons someone might still have grown up as female or identifies female. Replace gender with race. Do you feel the same way about race?
  - zaarn 5y ago
    Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess. And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't, it's a melatin level in the skin. The issues about race have less to do with the issues about transgender people, and more with their struggles faced by fault of modern society, in addition to the struggles one would face as transgender and/or female, which can intersect quite badly. I'm honestly astounded that HN apparently doesn't have any idea about intersectional discourse in the slightest, should be pretty obvious stuff.
    - alentist 5y ago
      > Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess. Is that sarcasm? Do you know what chromosomes are? > And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't By simply claiming they do. Is that not the criterion you're using for gender? "I don't see how someone would identify as female if they aren't."
      - zaarn 5y ago
        >By simply claiming they do. Is that not the criterion you're using for gender? And you still fail to see the difference between gender and sex and how that is different from culture and skin color. Congratulations. >Is that sarcasm? Do you know what chromosomes are? I didn't skip Biology 101.
        alentist 5y ago
        So your position is that a person is female simply by virtue of claiming that they "identify as" female. Is a person black simply by virtue of claiming that they "identify as" black? > I didn't skip Biology 101. Looks like you did. Chromosomes carry the genome.
        zaarn 5y ago
        I am aware Chromosomes carry the genome, but leading the question is not quite fair as well. Since sex and gender were topics, it was well evident that I was talking about Chromosomal differences between humans, NOT gene-level differences. It looks like you skipped out on Biology 101, otherwise the difference would be clear in context and upon my elaboration. Good day.