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Can you elaborate some? It seems to me like unions are incredibly good. It allows workers to have a stable career with pay advancement over the long run and rea

Can you elaborate some? It seems to me like unions are incredibly good. It allows workers to have a stable career with pay advancement over the long run and reasonable working conditions. The alternative is Amazon warehouses where workers are pushed extremely hard and have absolutely zero job security. We are in a world with plentiful resources, there is no reason to treat the workers on the bottom like dirt and make them scrape to get by.

RHSeeger 5y ago
Without trying to go into too many details, because it would be a long discussion, unions have both positives and negatives. There are people on both sides that ignore/discount the other side, so it can be difficult to even have a reasonable discussion on it. Some points from both sides Positives - Without unions, we wouldn't have the 40 hour work week or many of the safety regulations we take for granted. - Without unions, people can wind up working long hours in inhumane environments because it's the only opportunity they have (do it or starve). That's true even today. Negatives - Union members consider anyone who disagrees with the union an enemy, dishing out verbal and physical abuse on those people. - Unions sometimes prevent poor workers from being fired, resulting in certain worse conditions for everyone involved. I'm not looking to debate any of the above, just throwing out some examples from each side. The topic of unions is far from clear cut as good or bad.
- bostonsre 5y ago
  From the standpoint of union members, isn't more good than bad though? In this amazon warehouse example, in the long run, people that work in these amazon warehouses will have the opportunity to have a stable career where they chase the american dream and raise a family with relative security. The alternative without unions in this day and age with plentiful resources is just not humane to those workers.
  - RHSeeger 5y ago
    > From the standpoint of union members, isn't more good than bad though? That is a matter of debate. Some say yes, some say no. The same holds true for their effect on society as a whole; some people think unions are a net positive (beyond just for the workers), some do not.

RHSeeger 5y ago

Without trying to go into too many details, because it would be a long discussion, unions have both positives and negatives. There are people on both sides that ignore/discount the other side, so it can be difficult to even have a reasonable discussion on it. Some points from both sides Positives - Without unions, we wouldn't have the 40 hour work week or many of the safety regulations we take for granted. - Without unions, people can wind up working long hours in inhumane environments because it's the only opportunity they have (do it or starve). That's true even today. Negatives - Union members consider anyone who disagrees with the union an enemy, dishing out verbal and physical abuse on those people. - Unions sometimes prevent poor workers from being fired, resulting in certain worse conditions for everyone involved. I'm not looking to debate any of the above, just throwing out some examples from each side. The topic of unions is far from clear cut as good or bad.

bostonsre 5y ago
From the standpoint of union members, isn't more good than bad though? In this amazon warehouse example, in the long run, people that work in these amazon warehouses will have the opportunity to have a stable career where they chase the american dream and raise a family with relative security. The alternative without unions in this day and age with plentiful resources is just not humane to those workers.
- RHSeeger 5y ago
  > From the standpoint of union members, isn't more good than bad though? That is a matter of debate. Some say yes, some say no. The same holds true for their effect on society as a whole; some people think unions are a net positive (beyond just for the workers), some do not.