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I somewhat agree with the sentiment although I think it's a bit pessimistic and as described holds a stronger resemblance to a YA dystopian novel than reality.

I somewhat agree with the sentiment although I think it's a bit pessimistic and as described holds a stronger resemblance to a YA dystopian novel than reality. I went to a state school (i.e. public school in American terminology) in a poor area and studied hard and did well, got scholarships, went to Uni etc. There are some problems with people not being able to afford to dedicate time to study - this can be solved by offering a maintenance allowance to all students, as I believe is done in some Nordic countries. But the biggest issue I saw in my high school was people either giving up on education altogether, or having unrealistic expectations leading them to choose University degrees with poor job prospects. Note, I include the trades in education as in fact they better than many University degrees when it comes to helping people improve their lot in life.

rejectedandsad 5y ago
Eh, it’s pretty real, we just call it going to a top school. People like me will never achieve what the people at Ivy+ schools will, and I’ll be locked in a lower caste for good.
- mc32 5y ago
  I thought one of the main complaints of the system is “too many ivy leaguers” (who share diff values), so why aim for the thing that we talk bad about? What’s bad about not being part of the derided elite class?
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    Being near the bottom of any hierarchy is bad, and without smashing these hierarchies people like me are just destined to suffer. After all, the elite class is usually not derided anyway - and many of the people deriding them (think JD Vance) are elites already.
    - mc32 5y ago
      I can totally understand wanting to reject and "smashing" the elite Ivy League. I can't understand wanting to join them if they are so bad. It's akin to slaves wanting the right to own slaves --that's not the solution to the problem of the institution.
      - rejectedandsad 5y ago
        This is true - I would love the validation the most!

rejectedandsad 5y ago

Eh, it’s pretty real, we just call it going to a top school. People like me will never achieve what the people at Ivy+ schools will, and I’ll be locked in a lower caste for good.

mc32 5y ago
I thought one of the main complaints of the system is “too many ivy leaguers” (who share diff values), so why aim for the thing that we talk bad about? What’s bad about not being part of the derided elite class?
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  Being near the bottom of any hierarchy is bad, and without smashing these hierarchies people like me are just destined to suffer. After all, the elite class is usually not derided anyway - and many of the people deriding them (think JD Vance) are elites already.
  - mc32 5y ago
    I can totally understand wanting to reject and "smashing" the elite Ivy League. I can't understand wanting to join them if they are so bad. It's akin to slaves wanting the right to own slaves --that's not the solution to the problem of the institution.
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago
      This is true - I would love the validation the most!