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Well a couple things to note: 1. An entrepreneurial teacher/teachers could provide a service for these suddenly flush parents at $4600 per child. 2. Most poli

by whb07 5y ago

Well a couple things to note: 1. An entrepreneurial teacher/teachers could provide a service for these suddenly flush parents at $4600 per child. 2. Most politicians, from either side are either corrupt or incompetent, so these labels don’t matter much to me. But if you actually look at the people running most say schools/admins and even large chunks of the government bureaucracy it’s people who believe in large government and like that lifestyle. This is true even in deep red areas. Finally, the argument “more money”/resources needed to improve the bad quality is something that has been going on for 50+ years and it’s gotten worse over time. At what point do you say, “geez guess more money isn’t the answer!” I think Thomas Sowell said once something along the lines that the black schools in DC at about late 1800s-early 1900s was OUTPERFORMING those of the white schools in the region. If one is to look at the present day schooling in the same region, those children/teens are functionally illiterate. So what needs to be done, is to give a voucher to every parent to decide where to go. Right now the system sends MORE money to a school if it’s failing, and or they allow the failing school to survive.

iammisc 5y ago
> I think Thomas Sowell said once something along the lines that the black schools in DC at about late 1800s-early 1900s was OUTPERFORMING those of the white schools in the region. If one is to look at the present day schooling in the same region, those children/teens are functionally illiterate. There's a lot of quiet stereotyping going on where people assume that blacks have always underperformed whites in schooling, economic growth, etc. In reality, this is a recent phenomenon. Well into the 50s/early 60s, black incomes were growing much faster than whites.
- whb07 5y ago
  Yup! They assume today’s bad situation and apply it backwards, when in fact as time progresses, things have gotten worse not better.
techrat 5y ago
> So what needs to be done, is to give a voucher to every parent to decide where to go. So, we just say 'fuck all the kids who were born in the wrong zip code' and can't overcome the distance gate to go to a better school with the voucher?
- whb07 5y ago
  Well seeing as how the biggest failing schools are in large metros this argument doesn’t hold much does it? One of the biggest school system is in NYC and the average student graduating high school is reading at a 10 year old level or less. One could also imagine some sort of large vehicle whose sole purpose is to provide rides for students to attend the schools. Let me see if I can do some more research on such a scheme. Perhaps, one could paint them a vivid color, so that people could know they are “educational vehicles”. Maybe yellow? I think I’ve seen such a system before… Lastly, right now you’re saying: “Born in the wrong zip? And the school is failing? Sucks to be you! Not my problem” Or what am I missing? At least provide the opportunity for someone rather than force them to a particular outcome
  - techrat 5y ago
    > Lastly, right now you’re saying: > “Born in the wrong zip? And the school is failing? Sucks to be you! Not my problem” No. That's the logical outcome of a voucher system that only rewards the most successful schools instead of fixing the others. > Or what am I missing? Everything, apparently.
- iammisc 5y ago
  It's a fallacy to think there are not good schools possible in poorer areas; they used to be quite common, and still are in many places: https://www.city-journal.org/html/irreplaceable-9836.html https://www.city-journal.org/html/irreplaceable-9836.html Rich elites, which almost everyone on this forum is, imagine that the poor people in the inner city who want vouchers want to send their kid to some swanky rich kid school where everyone wears a blazer.... they don't. They want to send their kids to the ordinary private schools that would exist in their communities if they were able to afford non-public education.

by whb07 5y ago

iammisc 5y ago

> I think Thomas Sowell said once something along the lines that the black schools in DC at about late 1800s-early 1900s was OUTPERFORMING those of the white schools in the region. If one is to look at the present day schooling in the same region, those children/teens are functionally illiterate. There's a lot of quiet stereotyping going on where people assume that blacks have always underperformed whites in schooling, economic growth, etc. In reality, this is a recent phenomenon. Well into the 50s/early 60s, black incomes were growing much faster than whites.

whb07 5y ago
Yup! They assume today’s bad situation and apply it backwards, when in fact as time progresses, things have gotten worse not better.

techrat 5y ago

> So what needs to be done, is to give a voucher to every parent to decide where to go. So, we just say 'fuck all the kids who were born in the wrong zip code' and can't overcome the distance gate to go to a better school with the voucher?

whb07 5y ago
Well seeing as how the biggest failing schools are in large metros this argument doesn’t hold much does it? One of the biggest school system is in NYC and the average student graduating high school is reading at a 10 year old level or less. One could also imagine some sort of large vehicle whose sole purpose is to provide rides for students to attend the schools. Let me see if I can do some more research on such a scheme. Perhaps, one could paint them a vivid color, so that people could know they are “educational vehicles”. Maybe yellow? I think I’ve seen such a system before… Lastly, right now you’re saying: “Born in the wrong zip? And the school is failing? Sucks to be you! Not my problem” Or what am I missing? At least provide the opportunity for someone rather than force them to a particular outcome
- techrat 5y ago
  > Lastly, right now you’re saying: > “Born in the wrong zip? And the school is failing? Sucks to be you! Not my problem” No. That's the logical outcome of a voucher system that only rewards the most successful schools instead of fixing the others. > Or what am I missing? Everything, apparently.
iammisc 5y ago
It's a fallacy to think there are not good schools possible in poorer areas; they used to be quite common, and still are in many places: https://www.city-journal.org/html/irreplaceable-9836.html https://www.city-journal.org/html/irreplaceable-9836.html Rich elites, which almost everyone on this forum is, imagine that the poor people in the inner city who want vouchers want to send their kid to some swanky rich kid school where everyone wears a blazer.... they don't. They want to send their kids to the ordinary private schools that would exist in their communities if they were able to afford non-public education.