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I did not. Reading comprehension is key.

wayoutthere 5y ago
> You then get a "working class" with no real skills/education/ambition... they do not "do", which leads back to my first comment This you?
- John23832 5y ago
  > a "working class" ^ This references a segment or variation of the "working class". In my inference, a portion of the working class that isn't actually working, because they do not "do". > the "working class" ^ This is what you're trying to run with. This references the working class as a whole entity. I did not say this. Again, reading comprehension is key.
  - EliRivers 5y ago
    Again, reading comprehension is key. If there's a repeating pattern of people not understanding what you're writing, why not write more clearly? It will make everything better.
  - wayoutthere 5y ago
    So are writing skills.
  - tmotwu 5y ago
    Sorry, no. I was with you on your comment on doing. However, "working class" is an actual term [1] that does not fit your intended message. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class
  - drewcoo 5y ago
    Perhaps the refrain "reading comprehension is key" is a sign that comprehensible writing is in order.
shawnz 5y ago
I agree with their interpretation. "Be more ambitious" isn't a solution to poverty. There are plenty of ambitious people to compete with at every income level.
- John23832 5y ago
  Your (and the above's) interpretation of things unsaid are weird. I said "do", as in "to perform an action". Ambition might lead you to do things, but that's not what I address.
  - UK-Al05 5y ago
    The working class perform a lot of action. They work incredibly long hours and are still poor.
  - shawnz 5y ago
    Consider this thought experiment. Think of the people working at your place of employment in low-level positions who make less money than you. Do you think they are on average doing less productive work than you, or less likely to be "doers"? I am guessing you feel the answer is yes. Now think of the people in high-level positions who make more than you. Do you think they are on average doing more productive work than you? I am guessing you feel the answer is not so obvious with this question.
    - username90 5y ago
      It is better to use a peer instead of yourself to reduce bias. Do you think your tech lead does more valuable things than your average peer? Probably yes.
dougmwne 5y ago
I am actually unclear on what you mean by "Do". You seem to be using it in a very general sense, as in people who do something, anything, are better off than people who do nothing. That seems pretty obvious, movement is the very definition of work after all. However, the very vague way in which you talk about "Doing" creates a kind of Rorschach test where your readers can take any meaning they would like. So what is it, exactly that you mean? What sort of specific actions should a person take to raise their station in life? What about people not "doing"? Can you describe their life?

> You then get a "working class" with no real skills/education/ambition... they do not "do", which leads back to my first comment This you?

John23832 5y ago
> a "working class" ^ This references a segment or variation of the "working class". In my inference, a portion of the working class that isn't actually working, because they do not "do". > the "working class" ^ This is what you're trying to run with. This references the working class as a whole entity. I did not say this. Again, reading comprehension is key.
- EliRivers 5y ago
  Again, reading comprehension is key. If there's a repeating pattern of people not understanding what you're writing, why not write more clearly? It will make everything better.
- wayoutthere 5y ago
  So are writing skills.
- tmotwu 5y ago
  Sorry, no. I was with you on your comment on doing. However, "working class" is an actual term [1] that does not fit your intended message. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class
- drewcoo 5y ago
  Perhaps the refrain "reading comprehension is key" is a sign that comprehensible writing is in order.

shawnz 5y ago

I agree with their interpretation. "Be more ambitious" isn't a solution to poverty. There are plenty of ambitious people to compete with at every income level.

John23832 5y ago
Your (and the above's) interpretation of things unsaid are weird. I said "do", as in "to perform an action". Ambition might lead you to do things, but that's not what I address.
- UK-Al05 5y ago
  The working class perform a lot of action. They work incredibly long hours and are still poor.
- shawnz 5y ago
  Consider this thought experiment. Think of the people working at your place of employment in low-level positions who make less money than you. Do you think they are on average doing less productive work than you, or less likely to be "doers"? I am guessing you feel the answer is yes. Now think of the people in high-level positions who make more than you. Do you think they are on average doing more productive work than you? I am guessing you feel the answer is not so obvious with this question.
  - username90 5y ago
    It is better to use a peer instead of yourself to reduce bias. Do you think your tech lead does more valuable things than your average peer? Probably yes.

dougmwne 5y ago

I am actually unclear on what you mean by "Do". You seem to be using it in a very general sense, as in people who do something, anything, are better off than people who do nothing. That seems pretty obvious, movement is the very definition of work after all. However, the very vague way in which you talk about "Doing" creates a kind of Rorschach test where your readers can take any meaning they would like. So what is it, exactly that you mean? What sort of specific actions should a person take to raise their station in life? What about people not "doing"? Can you describe their life?