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No, they don't. Most women have no idea how bad it is for most men. An average woman is offered sex all the time. An average man - pretty much never. https://y

No, they don't. Most women have no idea how bad it is for most men. An average woman is offered sex all the time. An average man - pretty much never. https://youtu.be/RCsiNSA7sgs https://youtu.be/RCsiNSA7sgs When women try Tinder as men, they see how much harder it is

JackPoach 5y ago
I wouldn't say it's 'harder', it's 'different' is many respects. It's true that women are way more frequently propositioned for sex than men (talking heterosexual relationships here) and it's basically up to women if sex is going to happen or not. However, after sex happens, it's up to a man if he is going to have sex again with this woman or not and if he's going to have exclusively this this woman or not. Obviously, women too make these choices as they may or may not want to have something more than a one-night stand and keep relationship open or exclusive. Most common complaint that women make about online dating experience is that men have sex once or several times, but refuse to commit and may entirely 'ghost' them. So in this respect it doesn't seem to be accurate to describe online dating as 'easy' for women and 'difficult' for men. Instead there are different issue for opposite genders, but you can still use online dating to achieve whatever goals you have, regardless of your gender. Just don't blame men, women or dating apps - relationships can be hard work for many of us, especially if you have disadvantages, like appearances, income level, personal issues, past history, criminal record, substance abuse, etc.
- bufferoverflow 5y ago
  So you basically agreed that most women have unlimited access to sex, while most men don't. Ghosting happens on both sides. Most men can't even get to that stage.
  - JackPoach 5y ago
    I wouldn't say unlimited but 'better' or 'much better' - sure. But why does it make a difference? Men and women are different in many respects, and sex is one of them. For example if you tell a woman that getting on a dating site is great, because it will give them 'easy access to sex with multiple partners' - most/many women won't see it as some great benefit, because 'unlimited access to sex' isn't something that women see as priority. As a guy I understand why easy access to sex is great, but that's not how many/most women see it. They go to dating sites for other reasons. And when they don't get what they want - it's just as frustrating for them as it is for guys. Having said that I still believe that dating apps are great for meeting new people. Try to run your argument about 'unlimited access to sex' outside the dating app world. Let's take bars. A woman may (theoretically) find a new sexual partner in a bar much easier and more frequently than a man (with a notable exception of gay bars). True? True. Does that make her life easy and mens miserable? No. If finding a new sexual partner in a bar every week was the most important thing in the world, gay dudes would be happiest people around. Finding sexual partners in school and universities and workplace is also easier for women than men. Also true. So what? Does it make women happy and men miserable? Not in my experience. I've seen happy men and unhappy women (and the other way around) in and outside relationships. That's life. And 'easy' or 'difficult' are also something to think about. Is starting a business easy? No, it's HARD. Is becoming a doctor easy? No, it's HARD. What's easy is pumping gas at a gas station, but not very satisfying. Again, coming from a personal angle here - but I've struggled with women in my late teens/early twenties. However I became fairly successful in many niches, including interpersonal communications. And I know 100% that should I find a new sexual partner, I will be able to do so and dating sites is the first place I will to go, because that's where women that look form men are. And I've also learned by observing that the most miserable people out there are women who blame 'men' for things and men who blame 'women'. In my 40+ years I've seen INDIVIDUAL people going bad things (both male and female), but despite what's being told do us every day - I've never seen bad gender behavior. Toxic masculinity or toxic femininity, 'men are terrible' or 'feminism has ruined women' - that's simply not true in my opinion. Great people are out there. You can find them. Just don't expect relationships to be easy - they aren't.
    - bufferoverflow 5y ago
      > because 'unlimited access to sex' isn't something that women see as priority Because they get unlimited sex in the regular life too. It's thrown at them every day by random strangers. > Men and women are different in many respects, and sex is one of them. But we're discussing sex, read the thread again. You're trying to move the goal posts. > Does that make her life easy and mens miserable? No. Yes, it makes her life easier. She gets sex whenever she wants. Most men don't have that. > If finding a new sexual partner in a bar every week was the most important thing in the world Straw man. Nobody claimed it was. You're jumping from one logical error to another. I think you're either arguing in bad faith or simply not thinking through what you type.

JackPoach 5y ago

I wouldn't say it's 'harder', it's 'different' is many respects. It's true that women are way more frequently propositioned for sex than men (talking heterosexual relationships here) and it's basically up to women if sex is going to happen or not. However, after sex happens, it's up to a man if he is going to have sex again with this woman or not and if he's going to have exclusively this this woman or not. Obviously, women too make these choices as they may or may not want to have something more than a one-night stand and keep relationship open or exclusive. Most common complaint that women make about online dating experience is that men have sex once or several times, but refuse to commit and may entirely 'ghost' them. So in this respect it doesn't seem to be accurate to describe online dating as 'easy' for women and 'difficult' for men. Instead there are different issue for opposite genders, but you can still use online dating to achieve whatever goals you have, regardless of your gender. Just don't blame men, women or dating apps - relationships can be hard work for many of us, especially if you have disadvantages, like appearances, income level, personal issues, past history, criminal record, substance abuse, etc.

bufferoverflow 5y ago
So you basically agreed that most women have unlimited access to sex, while most men don't. Ghosting happens on both sides. Most men can't even get to that stage.
- JackPoach 5y ago
  I wouldn't say unlimited but 'better' or 'much better' - sure. But why does it make a difference? Men and women are different in many respects, and sex is one of them. For example if you tell a woman that getting on a dating site is great, because it will give them 'easy access to sex with multiple partners' - most/many women won't see it as some great benefit, because 'unlimited access to sex' isn't something that women see as priority. As a guy I understand why easy access to sex is great, but that's not how many/most women see it. They go to dating sites for other reasons. And when they don't get what they want - it's just as frustrating for them as it is for guys. Having said that I still believe that dating apps are great for meeting new people. Try to run your argument about 'unlimited access to sex' outside the dating app world. Let's take bars. A woman may (theoretically) find a new sexual partner in a bar much easier and more frequently than a man (with a notable exception of gay bars). True? True. Does that make her life easy and mens miserable? No. If finding a new sexual partner in a bar every week was the most important thing in the world, gay dudes would be happiest people around. Finding sexual partners in school and universities and workplace is also easier for women than men. Also true. So what? Does it make women happy and men miserable? Not in my experience. I've seen happy men and unhappy women (and the other way around) in and outside relationships. That's life. And 'easy' or 'difficult' are also something to think about. Is starting a business easy? No, it's HARD. Is becoming a doctor easy? No, it's HARD. What's easy is pumping gas at a gas station, but not very satisfying. Again, coming from a personal angle here - but I've struggled with women in my late teens/early twenties. However I became fairly successful in many niches, including interpersonal communications. And I know 100% that should I find a new sexual partner, I will be able to do so and dating sites is the first place I will to go, because that's where women that look form men are. And I've also learned by observing that the most miserable people out there are women who blame 'men' for things and men who blame 'women'. In my 40+ years I've seen INDIVIDUAL people going bad things (both male and female), but despite what's being told do us every day - I've never seen bad gender behavior. Toxic masculinity or toxic femininity, 'men are terrible' or 'feminism has ruined women' - that's simply not true in my opinion. Great people are out there. You can find them. Just don't expect relationships to be easy - they aren't.
  - bufferoverflow 5y ago
    > because 'unlimited access to sex' isn't something that women see as priority Because they get unlimited sex in the regular life too. It's thrown at them every day by random strangers. > Men and women are different in many respects, and sex is one of them. But we're discussing sex, read the thread again. You're trying to move the goal posts. > Does that make her life easy and mens miserable? No. Yes, it makes her life easier. She gets sex whenever she wants. Most men don't have that. > If finding a new sexual partner in a bar every week was the most important thing in the world Straw man. Nobody claimed it was. You're jumping from one logical error to another. I think you're either arguing in bad faith or simply not thinking through what you type.