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The olympic requirements are already having completely female hormone levels for 2 years. In fact, the limit for testosterone is significantly lower than for c

The olympic requirements are already having completely female hormone levels for 2 years. In fact, the limit for testosterone is significantly lower than for cis women, being a significant disadvantage for trans athletes, which is why in all the decades trans athletes have been allowed, you haven't seen any. Cis women with higher levels of testosterone, e.g. caster semenya, are already dominating the olympics, having natural hormone levels that'd be an immediate disqualification for any trans athlete.

lenkite 5y ago
There are significant differences in skeleton muscle function that will never go away by having female hormone levels for 2 years.
snovv_crash 5y ago
Muscle density isn't built to competitive Olympic levels in 2 years. Having a lifetime of male-level hormones and then 2 years of low testosterone is still an advantage, as we've seen in many events so far. This is also a strategy that has been used for doping, where athletes in their teens get pumped full of steroids, then go clean for some years and are suddenly very competitive in the 'clean' divisions.
2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
Not sure where you’re getting your information. The weightlifting rules allows trans athletes to have testosterone levels of 10nmol/L. Some sports are 5nmol/L. Normal range for men is 9-31nmol/L Women range from 0.9-2.5nmol/L Even these guys (link below) who argue that the limits are arbitrary then go on to point to study in which 11 of 234 female athletes had T levels of 8nmol/L and 32 had 2.6nmol/L. 74 of 446 male athletes had 8.4nmol/L. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/20/testosterone-limits-for-female-athletes-not-backed-by-science-say-academics https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/20/testosterone-l...
- kuschku 5y ago
  With normal HRT, you're usually reaching T levels around 0.5nmol/L (mine are 0.53 at the moment). So pretty much every genuinely trans athlete will have a disadvantage compared to cis female athletes. In fact, even pre transition, my levels were lower than those of 11 of 234 cis female athletes, so I never got any of the "benefits" testosterone supposedly has. None of your statistics are an argument for banning or restricting trans athletes.

lenkite 5y ago

There are significant differences in skeleton muscle function that will never go away by having female hormone levels for 2 years.

snovv_crash 5y ago

Muscle density isn't built to competitive Olympic levels in 2 years. Having a lifetime of male-level hormones and then 2 years of low testosterone is still an advantage, as we've seen in many events so far. This is also a strategy that has been used for doping, where athletes in their teens get pumped full of steroids, then go clean for some years and are suddenly very competitive in the 'clean' divisions.

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago

Not sure where you’re getting your information. The weightlifting rules allows trans athletes to have testosterone levels of 10nmol/L. Some sports are 5nmol/L. Normal range for men is 9-31nmol/L Women range from 0.9-2.5nmol/L Even these guys (link below) who argue that the limits are arbitrary then go on to point to study in which 11 of 234 female athletes had T levels of 8nmol/L and 32 had 2.6nmol/L. 74 of 446 male athletes had 8.4nmol/L. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/20/testosterone-limits-for-female-athletes-not-backed-by-science-say-academics https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/20/testosterone-l...

kuschku 5y ago
With normal HRT, you're usually reaching T levels around 0.5nmol/L (mine are 0.53 at the moment). So pretty much every genuinely trans athlete will have a disadvantage compared to cis female athletes. In fact, even pre transition, my levels were lower than those of 11 of 234 cis female athletes, so I never got any of the "benefits" testosterone supposedly has. None of your statistics are an argument for banning or restricting trans athletes.