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This problem is made artificial difficult. It's simple: born as a man? Sport like a man. Born as a women? Sport like women. Gender in sport is not about identi
by dncornholio 5y ago
This problem is made artificial difficult. It's simple: born as a man? Sport like a man. Born as a women? Sport like women.
Gender in sport is not about identity, it's about biology.
Also it creates a huge backdoor to Olympic gold medals. There's nothing that stops turning the female category into all transgender..
- jean_tta 5y agoShould FtM people, taking testosterone, compete with cis-women?
- octopaulus 5y agoWhich sports? I wish trans men good luck competing against born male athletes
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- dncornholio 5y agoIf those testosterone's are not a banned substance, then sure. Why not?
- CJefferson 5y agoThose testosterone are absolutely a banned substance. FtM transgender people would dominate many female sports.
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- jean_tta 5y agoTestosterone is a banned substance because it is a performance-enhancing drug.
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- dncornholio 5y agoExactly my point. If substance the is banned, why even ask the question?
- jean_tta 5y ago> It's simple: born as a man? Sport like a man. Born as a women? Sport like women. Well, except for people born as women who take testosterone, then.
- knubie 5y agoOr anyone that takes testosterone.
- jean_tta 5y agoSounds like it is not that simple in the end, doesn't it?
- zd123 5y agoActually its very simple. If you are born a certain sex, you should compete in the same sex category provided you haven’t taken any substances to enhance performance. This would mean you are only using what your body naturally produces. Theres a difference between trans-women and women.
- dncornholio 5y agoIt's very simple. If you want to do (professional) sports, you cannot take steroids/testosterone. Being trans isn't a choice, but taking testosterone or whatever definitely is. It does not matter if you're male, female, trans, chinese, african or american.. Nobody should be allowed take banned PED's in professional sports. It is very important to keep this integrity in sports. You could argue that you can let a FtM take testosterone because else he wont be able to compete with the others, but what if he started winning. Will people say he won because he's so good or would it be because he's allowed to take testosterone? No ifs, no buts.
- taurath 5y agoTrans women have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since the 80s with some stipulations around testosterone levels being maintained as very low. It would already have been a problem, if your simplistic theory were true.
- rocqua 5y agoEven though I largely agree with your conclusion, I strongly disagree that this problem is made artificially difficult. The fallout of a decision like this for professional athletes who are trans is huge. That fallout and the effects from that decision should not at all be taken lightly. Having an MTF proffesional athlete to compete in the male category is going to probably cause a lot of disphoria. It will also make it much harder from them to be accepted as female. Many people will question "If she is a woman, why is she competing in the male category". Hence it would probably cause many MTF professional athletes to simply decide to drop their profession. Transitioning is already hard. Adding "drop your profession" to that makes it that much harder. Especially to professional athletes to whom "being an athlete" is probably rather important. Just dismissing these concerns as "easy" is wrong. The impact this will have is huge and deserves significant consideration. I believe that, on balance, even when considering the above, there are still cases where MTF athletes should be barred from "women's leagues". At least in sports where their biology gives MTF athletes a significant advantage. But that is a close and difficult call to me. Not at all an easy one.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago> The impact this will have is huge and deserves significant consideration. The impact of making women’s competitions an impossibility for non MTF persons seems far greater in comparison.
- rocqua 5y agoI agree that it is greater. But disagree that it is far greater. Any argument that does not interrogate that question further is lacking in my opinion.
- gwd 5y ago> Adding "drop your profession" to that makes it that much harder. Especially to professional athletes to whom "being an athlete" is probably rather important. All athletes have to drop their profession sooner or later.
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