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Being "gender critical" is the view that trans women are not women. Not to be confused with the "anti-gender" movement, which opposes anything other than tradi

Being "gender critical" is the view that trans women are not women. Not to be confused with the "anti-gender" movement, which opposes anything other than traditional male/female roles, or with "postgenderism", which argues the complete opposite, namely that traditional gender is irrelevant. TL;DR is that Maya was (apparently) fired for the first opinion, lost a first court case over it because being gender critical is not protected under UK, and won the appeal because it was after all.

fxtentacle 5y ago
That just seems weird to me. Most people want to have kids later in life. Of course trans women are different wrt that life goal.
- maybeOneDay 5y ago
  Your argument is somewhat tangential - are you arguing women are defined by their ability to give birth? Seems fairly obvious that doesn't hold up even when we aren't talking about trans people
  - IgorPartola 5y ago
    It doesn’t hold up if you talk about cis women either. I know plenty who cannot have children. Menopause also then would make women not-women, right?
  - atq2119 5y ago
    There is a bimodal distribution of biological traits related to reproduction. Traditionally, women are defined as members of one of those clusters, the one whose members are generally able to give birth during some period of their lives. This doesn't mean that all members of the cluster can or have or will give birth, but nonetheless the clusters are fairly well-defined for nearly 100% of the population, with trans people being an exception. Some of the more extreme trans activists seem to want to pretend that these clusters don't exist, which puts them at odds with reality. Other seem to demand that the clusters shouldn't matter, which I find rather optimistic since they're relevant for reproduction. Trans rights are a noble goal, but some of the statements made by trans activists are a bit out there.
    - maybeOneDay 5y ago
      If by "shouldn't matter" you mean something like "it's ridiculous to define what a woman is as having a capability that literally all women lose around middle age" then I'd have to count myself amongst those people. Your argument is an extremely weak one for defining what it means to be a woman.
- KMag 5y ago
  Not all trans people undergo or desire surgical intervention. Also, a transgender woman who desires biological children and surgical intervention could freeze her sperm before surgery. Remember the story a few years ago about the gay couple where one of them was a transgender man and gave birth to their child? I'm sure similar situations do sometimes arise with transgender women.

fxtentacle 5y ago

That just seems weird to me. Most people want to have kids later in life. Of course trans women are different wrt that life goal.

maybeOneDay 5y ago
Your argument is somewhat tangential - are you arguing women are defined by their ability to give birth? Seems fairly obvious that doesn't hold up even when we aren't talking about trans people
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  It doesn’t hold up if you talk about cis women either. I know plenty who cannot have children. Menopause also then would make women not-women, right?
- atq2119 5y ago
  There is a bimodal distribution of biological traits related to reproduction. Traditionally, women are defined as members of one of those clusters, the one whose members are generally able to give birth during some period of their lives. This doesn't mean that all members of the cluster can or have or will give birth, but nonetheless the clusters are fairly well-defined for nearly 100% of the population, with trans people being an exception. Some of the more extreme trans activists seem to want to pretend that these clusters don't exist, which puts them at odds with reality. Other seem to demand that the clusters shouldn't matter, which I find rather optimistic since they're relevant for reproduction. Trans rights are a noble goal, but some of the statements made by trans activists are a bit out there.
  - maybeOneDay 5y ago
    If by "shouldn't matter" you mean something like "it's ridiculous to define what a woman is as having a capability that literally all women lose around middle age" then I'd have to count myself amongst those people. Your argument is an extremely weak one for defining what it means to be a woman.
KMag 5y ago
Not all trans people undergo or desire surgical intervention. Also, a transgender woman who desires biological children and surgical intervention could freeze her sperm before surgery. Remember the story a few years ago about the gay couple where one of them was a transgender man and gave birth to their child? I'm sure similar situations do sometimes arise with transgender women.