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> Why is keeping nice with the Saudi family so important? Why does the US government bend over backwards to cover up for them? Because they spawn outfits who r

> Why is keeping nice with the Saudi family so important? Why does the US government bend over backwards to cover up for them? Because they spawn outfits who ram airplanes into skyscrapers. I see no logic in this, but some "expert geopolitical strategists" do. Same with Israel, sinks USS Liberty, and then people on the hill go orgasmic, because "higher meaning" — whatever that means. A simpler explanation which seems to be much more believable: great amounts of money spent by them to keep the whole US political establishment wined, dined, well moneyed, and happy.

rjzzleep 5y ago
One of the teachers at a major Israeli military university claims that Israel is intentionally acting like a mad dog i.e. willing to take down the rest of the world with them should they go down, and that most European capitols are a target for their airforce. Whether that's rhetoric or reality, I don't think anyone intends to find out.[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld
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- geoduck14 5y ago
  People said that about Trump. I don't think that strategy paid off for him
  - mywittyname 5y ago
    He was not threatening enough, nor possess the mental capabilities to pull off that strategy. That strategy only works if you display the willingness to act, and the cleverness to act in such a way that demonstrates you know exactly where your opponent is weakest. He was willing to act, his actions just always missed their mark.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  I genuinely doubt the Israeli Airforce could take on the rest of Europe. There are a lot of warplanes patrolling the Mediterranean Sea.
  - dwater 5y ago
    The point of the "mad dog" approach is not to win, but to let others know you will take them down with you, with the idea being that they will do what you want out of fear.
    - N1H1L 5y ago
      Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) dog
- kinghajj 5y ago
  > willing to take down the rest of the world with them should they go down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel%27s_Nuclear_Arsenal_and_American_Foreign_Policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel%27s_...
akudha 5y ago
Follow the money is generally a good place to start, when something doesn’t make sense.
ridiculous_lol 5y ago
> Same with Israel, sinks USS Liberty, and then people on the hill go orgasmic, because "higher meaning" — whatever that means. I don't think it's fair to compare Israel with Saudi. The former is a functioning democracy and is ranks significantly better that its neighbors when it comes to Civil liberties.
- baybal2 5y ago
  It's not a functioning democracy, half of its population has no voting rights. And it's always been antagonistic with US, despite making pretty face. And, yes, they are in bed with the Saudis, now quite openly.
  - ridiculous_lol 5y ago
    > It's not a functioning democracy, half of its population has no voting rights. Exactly which "half" we are talking about here? > And it's always been antagonistic with US, despite making pretty face. They are a de-facto US ally. Doesn't matter how they behave publicly. > And, yes, they are in bed with the Saudis, now quite openly. What does that even mean? Pretty much every liberal democracy which recognizes the Saudi royal family and has economic ties with the kingdom is in "bed" with Saudis by that logic.

rjzzleep 5y ago

One of the teachers at a major Israeli military university claims that Israel is intentionally acting like a mad dog i.e. willing to take down the rest of the world with them should they go down, and that most European capitols are a target for their airforce. Whether that's rhetoric or reality, I don't think anyone intends to find out.[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld

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geoduck14 5y ago
People said that about Trump. I don't think that strategy paid off for him
- mywittyname 5y ago
  He was not threatening enough, nor possess the mental capabilities to pull off that strategy. That strategy only works if you display the willingness to act, and the cleverness to act in such a way that demonstrates you know exactly where your opponent is weakest. He was willing to act, his actions just always missed their mark.
ashtonkem 5y ago
I genuinely doubt the Israeli Airforce could take on the rest of Europe. There are a lot of warplanes patrolling the Mediterranean Sea.
- dwater 5y ago
  The point of the "mad dog" approach is not to win, but to let others know you will take them down with you, with the idea being that they will do what you want out of fear.
  - N1H1L 5y ago
    Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) dog
kinghajj 5y ago
> willing to take down the rest of the world with them should they go down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel%27s_Nuclear_Arsenal_and_American_Foreign_Policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel%27s_...

akudha 5y ago

Follow the money is generally a good place to start, when something doesn’t make sense.

ridiculous_lol 5y ago

> Same with Israel, sinks USS Liberty, and then people on the hill go orgasmic, because "higher meaning" — whatever that means. I don't think it's fair to compare Israel with Saudi. The former is a functioning democracy and is ranks significantly better that its neighbors when it comes to Civil liberties.

baybal2 5y ago
It's not a functioning democracy, half of its population has no voting rights. And it's always been antagonistic with US, despite making pretty face. And, yes, they are in bed with the Saudis, now quite openly.
- ridiculous_lol 5y ago
  > It's not a functioning democracy, half of its population has no voting rights. Exactly which "half" we are talking about here? > And it's always been antagonistic with US, despite making pretty face. They are a de-facto US ally. Doesn't matter how they behave publicly. > And, yes, they are in bed with the Saudis, now quite openly. What does that even mean? Pretty much every liberal democracy which recognizes the Saudi royal family and has economic ties with the kingdom is in "bed" with Saudis by that logic.