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Humm. Maybe some of us want our browsers to be, you know, browsers! Not full-blown virtual machines. I'm quite happy with Safari. I don’t want web apps, I want

Humm. Maybe some of us want our browsers to be, you know, browsers! Not full-blown virtual machines. I'm quite happy with Safari. I don’t want web apps, I want web pages!

rsa25519 5y ago
In that case, Safari should make it clear that its users should not expect web application to work well. OP proposes helping Safari do that by displaying informational banners when appropriate.
- jbverschoor 5y ago
  Applications work just fine. Developers have to be a bit more precise. For features not supported, really a non issue, considering the Android update and support cycles
  - rraihansaputra 5y ago
    A lot "features not supported" by Safari is supported by Android > 4.4.4. I can target >90% of users on older Androids and still have compatibility issues with Safari users. Unacceptable.
  - kyriakos 5y ago
    That's not true, there are numerous bugs especially on ios. What all browser vendors have figured out is that browser updates should be decoupled form OS updates and this is what Google and Microsoft are getting right,frequent updates, new browser engine features and fixes are available almost immediately.
cblconfederate 5y ago
Notifications wouldn't waste any CPU cycles that aren't already there. There's no excuse for not implementing them other than forcing devs to use their app store.
- weikju 5y ago
  I don't want notifications on any webpage. if I need to see an update on your website, I'll click a link/bookmark or type the URL, thank you.
  - cblconfederate 5y ago
    I don't want any notifications from my apps either. If i want to see the latest news from my (bank app), or an advertisment from a local electronics store (from Viber), or to find out what happened "on this day" (from the OneDrive app), or that Customers are noticing me (from the Gmaps app) . What's the difference?
    - weikju 5y ago
      Point is I don't care if Safari doesn't support notifications, since I don't want them anyway. So I see it as a plus.
      - wayneftw 5y ago
        Imagine if you had to disable one feature toggle though? Better yet: imagine if they were only optionally enabled when you added the PWA to your home screen?? Seems like we could both easily have exactly what we want.
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        andyana 5y ago
        This would be ideal, in my opinion.
    - joshmanders 5y ago
      The web is literal hell when every damn site you visit wants to know your location, enable notifications, and all this other stuff. Switching from Chromium based back to Safari was nice for me.
poisonborz 5y ago
PWA-s are just one point amongst many, if you read the post. There are heaps of basic document rendering issues, and on anything except macOS Safari is the only browser choice.
wayneftw 5y ago
So if I want a full-blown virtual machine I can put that on "my" phone right? Oh wait Apple controls that too. I guess in the absence of allowing us to have full-blown virtual machines we'll have to settle for asking Apple to update their browser.

Humm. Maybe some of us want our browsers to be, you know, browsers! Not full-blown virtual machines. I'm quite happy with Safari. I don’t want web apps, I want web pages!

rsa25519 5y ago

In that case, Safari should make it clear that its users should not expect web application to work well. OP proposes helping Safari do that by displaying informational banners when appropriate.

jbverschoor 5y ago
Applications work just fine. Developers have to be a bit more precise. For features not supported, really a non issue, considering the Android update and support cycles
- rraihansaputra 5y ago
  A lot "features not supported" by Safari is supported by Android > 4.4.4. I can target >90% of users on older Androids and still have compatibility issues with Safari users. Unacceptable.
- kyriakos 5y ago
  That's not true, there are numerous bugs especially on ios. What all browser vendors have figured out is that browser updates should be decoupled form OS updates and this is what Google and Microsoft are getting right,frequent updates, new browser engine features and fixes are available almost immediately.

cblconfederate 5y ago

Notifications wouldn't waste any CPU cycles that aren't already there. There's no excuse for not implementing them other than forcing devs to use their app store.

weikju 5y ago
I don't want notifications on any webpage. if I need to see an update on your website, I'll click a link/bookmark or type the URL, thank you.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  I don't want any notifications from my apps either. If i want to see the latest news from my (bank app), or an advertisment from a local electronics store (from Viber), or to find out what happened "on this day" (from the OneDrive app), or that Customers are noticing me (from the Gmaps app) . What's the difference?
  - weikju 5y ago
    Point is I don't care if Safari doesn't support notifications, since I don't want them anyway. So I see it as a plus.
    - wayneftw 5y ago
      Imagine if you had to disable one feature toggle though? Better yet: imagine if they were only optionally enabled when you added the PWA to your home screen?? Seems like we could both easily have exactly what we want.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - andyana 5y ago
        This would be ideal, in my opinion.
  - joshmanders 5y ago
    The web is literal hell when every damn site you visit wants to know your location, enable notifications, and all this other stuff. Switching from Chromium based back to Safari was nice for me.

poisonborz 5y ago

PWA-s are just one point amongst many, if you read the post. There are heaps of basic document rendering issues, and on anything except macOS Safari is the only browser choice.

wayneftw 5y ago

So if I want a full-blown virtual machine I can put that on "my" phone right? Oh wait Apple controls that too. I guess in the absence of allowing us to have full-blown virtual machines we'll have to settle for asking Apple to update their browser.