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First of all, I suggest you refrain from calling trans women "not women" – this is, whether you intend it to be or not, quite disrespectful. You can talk about
by vore 5y ago
First of all, I suggest you refrain from calling trans women "not women" – this is, whether you intend it to be or not, quite disrespectful. You can talk about the biological implications of being transgender without erasing their identities like that.
Second of all, there are physical changes from hormone replacement therapy. associated with transitioning. This is absolutely not "240lb judoka feeling thin on the inside" and not absurdly cut and dry like you suggest.
- leephillips 5y agoI would like to suggest that you resist the urge to police other’s use of language, especially when their use of terms is well established and reasonable. Whether you intend it or not, this is quite disrespectful.
- vore 5y agoHow is calling transgender women "not women" "well established and reasonable"? Whether you intended to parrot what I said to be so snide, this is quite disrespectful.
- leephillips 5y agoWell established: a woman is an adult human female. Try a dictionary, biology textbook, etc. You might not like it, but you can’t reasonably say that it’s not well established. I hope you agree that a “transgender woman”, or, to use more neutral language, a trans identified man, is not female. That’s the entire issue here. Reasonable: see the above. Also, implied by the users of the term itself. If a T.W. is a W., why do they say T.W.?
- Jcowell 5y agoHave to agree with this. It’s like someone calling me the N word. Arguable the word is “established” and probably reasonable to the sayer. Still hella disrespectful to me though.
- cudgy 5y agoSo, when someone says “I date women”, are you implying that it is established and reasonable to the typical person in the world or even Western society that this statement would be including trans people?
- anoncake 5y agoOf course. Dating women doesn't mean all women are your type of course.
- remarkEon 5y ago>Second of all, there are physical changes from hormone replacement therapy. associated with transitioning. This is absolutely not "240lb judoka feeling thin on the inside" and not absurdly cut and dry like you suggest. These drugs do not "erase" the biological reality of sex differences.
- vore 5y agoI'm not arguing there is no biological difference – there absolutely is. I am arguing that there are different lines people can draw and that the example given is absurd and reductive of these considerations.